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Old 01-03-2010, 02:29 AM
 
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<< Many of these la raza types both citizen and non-citizen are nursing old grudges passed on to them by their ancestors over so-called stolen land.>>

I think there's a lot of jealousy too. Look what Americans have made of this country, as opposed to what Mexicans have made of theirs. I wonder if they'd be so upset about their 'stolen land' if it was still in the shape it was in when the US got it. I don't hear much about Guatemala being stolen.
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Old 01-03-2010, 09:39 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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<< Many of these la raza types both citizen and non-citizen are nursing old grudges passed on to them by their ancestors over so-called stolen land.>>

I think there's a lot of jealousy too. Look what Americans have made of this country, as opposed to what Mexicans have made of theirs. I wonder if they'd be so upset about their 'stolen land' if it was still in the shape it was in when the US got it. I don't hear much about Guatemala being stolen.
That is rather interesting isn't it.

Guatemala is quite rich in natural resources too.
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Old 01-03-2010, 10:50 AM
 
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While I certainly feel compassion for this woman, we are not the healthcare system for the world. My concern is for the citizens who must now forego treatment (and die) simply because the clinic was overburdened by illegals. We must help our own first.


The Breaking Point - For Ailing Illegal Immigrants, Return Home Brings No Relief - Series - NYTimes.com
The whole problem. These people come here very willing to work for cheap labor jobs, very happy to accept employment with no health insurance, very eager to replace Americans who want legal wages and standard employee benefits. Because they come to lower the wages, Americans too see wages dropping and very high unemployment rates and can no longer "contribute" to the tax base.

They tend never to pay taxes or claim whatever exemptions they know gets them out of paying taxes, or gladly work for cash under the table.

Then they *wonder* why the free health care they came to expect and believe they are entitled to have is getting more difficult? Are they really so stupid to believe that American taxpayers can provide free health care to the entire world?

On the other hand, these people abandoned their own country, also did not pay taxes to it and then wonder why the taxpayers there also can't afford all the freebies they believe they are entitled to have?
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Old 01-03-2010, 10:53 AM
 
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Oh yes, they know all of the tricks of the trade. They feel no shame, because they feel entitled, and they have no respect for this country. They are only here to get what they can; to hell with us.
Nor their own country. What did this illegal couple do for either country? Nothing. They contributed in no way to their own country to justify all the free clinics they think they should be able to fall back on back home.

They use the USA for all they can get from it, when that fails, they expect they can go back home and use their own country for all they can get from it.

It's one thing when it's just a few people, but it's tens of millions and rising fast.
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Old 01-03-2010, 11:56 AM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Yes, how very odd - must have been an eye opener for the illegals. Used to "free" health care in the USA where they were illegal, they return home to find they're expected to PAY
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Old 01-03-2010, 01:26 PM
 
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Yes, how very odd - must have been an eye opener for the illegals. Used to "free" health care in the USA where they were illegal, they return home to find they're expected to PAY
Mexico has a nationalized health care system. People there do have to pay but they pay on a sliding scale depending on what they earn. Mexico actually has a pretty good health care system, some of it's physicians are top-notch.

The problem for those living in the USA is they aren't supporting their own country's system any more than they are supporting ours. They pay no taxes to Mexico.

At some point all this unlimited ultra cheap labor is going to become a problem. Americans are being displaced from jobs, but ultimately this doesn't benefit Mexico either. Mexico isn't going to want a bunch of people who worked for low wages in the USA retiring and coming back after they paid nothing into Mexico's pension system. The USA isn't going to know what to do with the illegals when they retire because they paid nothing into our system. As they age, their health care needs will rise and then what?
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