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Old 01-23-2010, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Originally Posted by huckster View Post
Walls don't work. Chinese wall is a tourist attraction and oddity.
West Germans did not want East Germans to come in because they were
"taking Jobs ". I guess you just don't remember.
Racism was the component for the southern minded yokels, not one of Lincoln's "components". Remember that one war? You must have missed that too.
This brilliant, articulate self-educated lawyer-statesman knew what was right through intellect not ignorance.
I guess you missed that too.
What else must you be missing?
He also missed the point that the walls he mentioned with the exception of the great wall were meant to keep people in the nation that built them. Not keep people out.
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Old 01-23-2010, 09:35 PM
 
Location: ...at a 3AM epiphany
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I think it's important to make a distinction between Mexicans who love their country and live in it, work to make it better, keep it running and those Mexicans who want only to leave it, who are drawn to the material wealth and big money, welfare programs and so on in the USA and the only thing they do for Mexico is leave it.

Often the people condemning Mexico more than anyone are the illegals trying to justify living illegally in the USA. They are the ones that paint the picture of desperate starvation and terrible corruption and violence, it's their excuse for abandoning their own country.

It's that group that is into the Aztlan excuse too - they'll grab at anything to justify leaving Mexico.

That group doesn't benefit their own country, nor do they benefit ours because they also demand they have some racial right to break our laws and do as they please here because like they say, their country is too horrible for them.

Of course it isn't, most that left Mexico certainly were not starving, they were not victims of drug cartels unless they also were involved in the drug trafficking.

People can overlook the fact that there are people in Mexico who love their country very much, are working hard for it, and don't have getting to the USA as their only goal in life.

La Raza types are obviously the people who didn't want to do anything for Mexico, but they aren't in a group like La Raza because they support all the American people or immigrants from all nations. They are racist and trying to justify their one ethnic group.
Yup. It's just too blatant to ignore. I, as one who is very open minded, thinker outside of the box, sees clearly the motives of this criminal organization. Investigation into hate crime laws are being reviewed.
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Old 01-24-2010, 06:17 AM
 
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Default Yes,

Remarks given only conern, a more effective way of removing
economic, economic, incentives for immigration.
Removing the source.
Not, tyranny of the majority or Raza Unida as a terrorrist org.- as this
thread has ran. One day a substantial third political party will emerge
as the hispanic population grows in this country. This is the reality. This post was not intended to begin another forum on social status or history-
only as an alternative subject -to stop unethical business practices.
Ramblings about vikings etc. are puerile and demonstrate by the author an
preoccupation with race and justification for further racism.
Racism just may be the last refuge of small minds.
The intention of this organization , La Raza is subject to all sorts of opinions and yet another "Conspiracy Theory"- racial, religious, or political based ie- Jewish, Catholic (Dubya?) , the assasination of JFK by LBJ, Jesuit conspiracy, the conspiracy of 911 being an inside job by our own govt
(Willie Nelson?) , bigfoot , UFO's and on and on.
All great subjects for hobbyists and blogging.
No, I am not a member of the Communist party. I am not a member of
an organized political party, I am a Democrat.


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Yup. It's just too blatant to ignore. I, as one who is very open minded, thinker outside of the box, sees clearly the motives of this criminal organization. Investigation into hate crime laws are being reviewed.
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Old 01-24-2010, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Originally Posted by huckster View Post
Remarks given only conern, a more effective way of removing
economic, economic, incentives for immigration.
Removing the source.
Not, tyranny of the majority or Raza Unida as a terrorrist org.- as this
thread has ran. One day a substantial third political party will emerge
as the hispanic population grows in this country. This is the reality. This post was not intended to begin another forum on social status or history-
only as an alternative subject -to stop unethical business practices.
Ramblings about vikings etc. are puerile and demonstrate by the author an
preoccupation with race and justification for further racism.
Racism just may be the last refuge of small minds.
The intention of this organization , La Raza is subject to all sorts of opinions and yet another "Conspiracy Theory"- racial, religious, or political based ie- Jewish, Catholic (Dubya?) , the assasination of JFK by LBJ, Jesuit conspiracy, the conspiracy of 911 being an inside job by our own govt
(Willie Nelson?) , bigfoot , UFO's and on and on.
All great subjects for hobbyists and blogging.
No, I am not a member of the Communist party. I am not a member of
an organized political party, I am a Democrat.
Two quick notes here:

#1: this thread IS about la raza=terrorism.
#2: anymore; the word 'Hispanic' is fast becoming derogatory and; as prejudice increases against the 'vato' types, more and more Mestizos will either pass themselves off as Anglo White or straight up American Indian to avoid problems.
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Old 01-24-2010, 04:40 PM
 
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Default I have not heard,

About the term hispanic being a derogatory one. ??
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Originally Posted by ArizonaBear View Post
Two quick notes here:

#1: this thread IS about la raza=terrorism.
#2: anymore; the word 'Hispanic' is fast becoming derogatory and; as prejudice increases against the 'vato' types, more and more Mestizos will either pass themselves off as Anglo White or straight up American Indian to avoid problems.
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Old 01-26-2010, 06:24 AM
 
Location: ...at a 3AM epiphany
2,207 posts, read 1,305,760 times
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Originally Posted by malamute View Post
I think it's important to make a distinction between Mexicans who love their country and live in it, work to make it better, keep it running and those Mexicans who want only to leave it, who are drawn to the material wealth and big money, welfare programs and so on in the USA and the only thing they do for Mexico is leave it.

Often the people condemning Mexico more than anyone are the illegals trying to justify living illegally in the USA. They are the ones that paint the picture of desperate starvation and terrible corruption and violence, it's their excuse for abandoning their own country.

It's that group that is into the Aztlan excuse too - they'll grab at anything to justify leaving Mexico.

That group doesn't benefit their own country, nor do they benefit ours because they also demand they have some racial right to break our laws and do as they please here because like they say, their country is too horrible for them.

Of course it isn't, most that left Mexico certainly were not starving, they were not victims of drug cartels unless they also were involved in the drug trafficking.

People can overlook the fact that there are people in Mexico who love their country very much, are working hard for it, and don't have getting to the USA as their only goal in life.

La Raza types are obviously the people who didn't want to do anything for Mexico, but they aren't in a group like La Raza because they support all the American people or immigrants from all nations. They are racist and trying to justify their one ethnic group.
Very, very well said.
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Old 01-28-2010, 11:39 PM
 
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Charlie Norwood of Georgia's ninth district [A FORMER CONFEDERATE STATE] called La Raza a "radical...pro-illegal immigration lobbying organization that supports racist groups?

Charlie Norwood is not even a Georgia congressman anymore. Probably was kicked out due to all his Bull!

Anyone who wants to know the NCLR's stance on illegal immigration please see the below URL.

National Council of La Raza: Frequently Asked Questions (http://www.nclr.org/content/faqs/detail/43266 - broken link)

Questions and Answers About NCLR’s Immigration Position

These questions were compiled by the National Council of La Raza in response to questions we are frequently asked regarding our position on immigration reform.

Q: Does NCLR support undocumented immigration?
A: No. NCLR believes that all immigration to the U.S. should be safe and legal. Their lack of legal status means that undocumented workers are vulnerable and easily exploitable, resulting in unscrupulous employers offering these workers poor wages and working conditions. In addition, undocumented immigrants live in fear of detection, are vulnerable to crime, and not eligible for most social services, all of which contribute to difficult living and working conditions. It is in the best interests of the United States and of immigrants themselves to ensure that all immigration to the U.S. takes place legally.

Q: Does NCLR support undocumented immigrants?
A: NCLR advocates on behalf of the entire Latino population regardless of immigration status. We believe that all persons deserve dignity and respect, and that the human rights and civil rights of all persons must be upheld.

Q: Does NCLR believe in open borders?
A: No. NCLR does not and has never advocated open borders. We believe that the U.S. is a sovereign country with the right to control its borders. We care a great deal about how our borders are enforced; NCLR has long argued that enforcement at the border and in the interior must be conducted in a way that maximizes effectiveness without undercutting our values as a nation. We are especially troubled that more than a decade of increased enforcement measures along the U.S.-Mexico border have resulted in a steep increase in the number of border deaths without much impact in deterring migration. NCLR takes the position that any border enforcement policies must be both effective and humane.

Q: Does NCLR advocate unlimited immigrant admissions?
A: No. Immigration to the United States is currently restricted, and NCLR supports these restrictions. In order to come legally as an immigrant, you must be sponsored by an employer (in a “highly-skilled” profession) or by a close family member, such as a spouse, parent, adult son or daughter, or sibling. NCLR supports these visa categories, and is working to ensure that all immigration can take place legally.

Q: What are NCLR’s policy positions on immigration reform?
A: NCLR supports comprehensive immigration reforms that combine reasonable enforcement with reduction in family immigration backlogs, a legal path for future immigrant workers, and a path to citizenship for those living and working in the U.S. For further information, see our issue brief: Immigration Reform: Comprehensive Solutions to Complex Problems.

Q: Does NCLR support an amnesty?
A: No. NCLR supports a path to citizenship for immigrant workers that requires them to earn permanent status over time. Unlike amnesty – which is an immediate and complete pardon – to earn permanent status an immigrant would have to register with the government, undergo a criminal background check, maintain a clean record, pay all taxes, learn English, and pay a fine to the government. This is very different from an “amnesty.”
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Old 01-28-2010, 11:43 PM
 
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Try again: I am old enough to remember the Berlin Wall and that Germans on both sides were pissed about it-----------unlike our growing hostility towards the illegals attempting to cross into the USA from Mexico.

Translation: your historical knowledge is spotty----------at best.

You build a 20 foot wall and the illegals will make a 20 foot ladder!
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Old 01-29-2010, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Originally Posted by Rico from East Los View Post
You build a 20 foot wall and the illegals will make a 20 foot ladder!
Not with the US military securing the border.
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Old 01-29-2010, 08:05 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Rico from East Los View Post
You build a 20 foot wall and the illegals will make a 20 foot ladder!
Not if all incentives to come here are removed and border security is beefed up.
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