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Old 01-13-2010, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Self-deportation by illegal aliens would be very cheap. Cut illegal aliens off from all jobs and all taxpayer funded services and then watch them head for the border.
Pro-illegals know this is true. However, this simple solution conflicts with their amnesty agenda. They will continue to tout the “benefits” of legalizing criminals, and continue to criticize the “high” cost of deportation, because they have nothing else to offer in defense of illegal immigration.

All of their strategies have failed. The “guilt trip” hasn’t worked, the “race card” is trite and debunked, the “separating families” is a joke, the “they are here and aren’t leaving” is laughable; so now, they are using the latest study to tout the “economic boon.” It’s pathetic.

Only the truly gullible and misinformed believe there is ANY benefit in legalizing millions of uneducated low-wage earners, and importing millions of their families to join them in sucking on the government teat.
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Old 01-13-2010, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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We already have an 'underclass' of American citizens (as all countries do).

Please answer my question, since you seem to know intimately the illegal alien thought processes.

After these teens find out they are illegal what do they think and what do they do about it?
They follow in their criminal parents’ footsteps, by circumventing the law and playing the system; while demanding legalization as a reward for their lawlessness.

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Old 01-13-2010, 08:49 AM
 
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Pro-illegals know this is true. However, this simple solution conflicts with their amnesty agenda. They will continue to tout the “benefits” of legalizing criminals, and continue to criticize the “high” cost of deportation, because they have nothing else to offer in defense of illegal immigration.

There are high costs to deportation. ICE even stated this. If people can't understand that...then we have real problem. I suggest you critically take a look at deportation.

All of their strategies have failed. The “guilt trip” hasn’t worked, the “race card” is trite and debunked, the “separating families” is a joke, the “they are here and aren’t leaving” is laughable; so now, they are using the latest study to tout the “economic boon.” It’s pathetic.

Guilt trip? Nope. Race card? Some of the people have racist views, this can't be denied. Separating families? That's somewhat true as well. Aren't leaving? This is true. One UCLA professor Abel Valenzuela) stated that while some illegal immigrants are willing to leave during this current recession most aren't simply due to the fact that they still will make more here.

Only the truly gullible and misinformed believe there is ANY benefit in legalizing millions of uneducated low-wage earners, and importing millions of their families to join them in sucking on the government teat.

Only the truly gullible and misinformed will believe that deportation is cheap and easy. Only the truly gullible and misinformed will believe that we should deny education to those that need it most. Only the truly gullible and misinformed would be as extreme as you.
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Old 01-13-2010, 08:50 AM
 
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We already have an 'underclass' of American citizens (as all countries do).

Please answer my question, since you seem to know intimately the illegal alien thought processes.

After these teens find out they are illegal what do they think and what do they do about it?
Depends.
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Old 01-13-2010, 08:52 AM
 
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Self-deportation by illegal aliens would be very cheap. Cut illegal aliens off from all jobs and all taxpayer funded services and then watch them head for the border.
There will always be jobs for illegal immigrants. If you cut all legal jobs that means supply (workers) outstrips demand (jobs). Thus the wages would fall. Less scrupulous employers will then hire illegal immigrants in either the informal sector or simply find ways to hire them in the former illegally. So self deportation would not occur. We see in the current economic collapse a rise in informal sector employment.
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Old 01-13-2010, 09:23 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Depends.
Yeah, right. What you mean is none of them even try to find out how to become legal. They just want something for nothing...or maybe they figure they'll do it ~~ tomorrow ~~.

You cannot cite even one example of one of these teens even trying; because they don't.

You still haven't answered my question.
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Old 01-13-2010, 09:49 AM
 
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Yeah, right. What you mean is none of them even try to find out how to become legal. They just want something for nothing...or maybe they figure they'll do it ~~ tomorrow ~~.

You cannot cite even one example of one of these teens even trying; because they don't.

You still haven't answered my question.
I did and I said it depends. It depends on socio-economics, it depends on what the plans are for the teen, it depends also on the individual.

I can cite one example, actually. One girl at UCSB was illegal and hired a lawyer to change her status. So again it depends...
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Old 01-13-2010, 02:59 PM
 
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There will always be jobs for illegal immigrants. If you cut all legal jobs that means supply (workers) outstrips demand (jobs). Thus the wages would fall. Less scrupulous employers will then hire illegal immigrants in either the informal sector or simply find ways to hire them in the former illegally. So self deportation would not occur. We see in the current economic collapse a rise in informal sector employment.
There wouldn't be many jobs available for illegal aliens if the penalties imposed on employers who knowingly hire them were severe. Without access to jobs or taxpayer funded services, illegal aliens would begin to self-deport in large numbers. Employers would then be forced to hire from a smaller pool of workers and wages would go up.
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Old 01-13-2010, 03:39 PM
 
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There wouldn't be many jobs available for illegal aliens if the penalties imposed on employers who knowingly hire them were severe. Without access to jobs or taxpayer funded services, illegal aliens would begin to self-deport in large numbers. Employers would then be forced to hire from a smaller pool of workers and wages would go up.
We have all made these points over and over that without jobs and benefits most would self-deport and yet the pro-amnesty crowd still argue the point that they won't or keep harping about the cost when there is no cost involved in self-deportations.
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Old 01-13-2010, 03:51 PM
 
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We have all made these points over and over that without jobs and benefits most would self-deport and yet the pro-amnesty crowd still argue the point that they won't or keep harping about the cost when there is no cost involved in self-deportations.
This is a good point. Boy do they keep ignoring that. Sometimes it is like they don't want to even take the steps to do what will obviously reduce illegal immigration.
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