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Old 01-18-2010, 11:10 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Nope it's not. Benicar, legal residents will have a problem. That's why IL doesn't want to participate in the program.
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Yes. that1guy...Do tell...
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Old 01-19-2010, 05:39 AM
 
Location: Pa
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It's not a brain tumor. Also, sometimes they do wait till accuracy is better (once a treatment is not considered experimental).

The 10% unemployment rate is all the more reason to wait till the accuracy is better.
Actually illegal immigration can be considered a tumor. They are a foreign body to our country. They do not belong here. They need to be removed and a cure implemented to prevent further spread or relapse.
As a cancer survivor I can tell you that there are very few 100% cures and a great many partials. Unless the tumor is benign which illegals are not they almost never wait for something better to come along.
Experimental. Almost all cancer treatments are considered experimental. It cuts down on the law suits.
The 10% unemployment rate is the reason to implement not delay. For every job filled by an illegal, a legal has that much less chance of finding work.
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Old 01-19-2010, 08:18 AM
 
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If they have the(legal) ID required, there shouldn't be a problem.
Due to inconsistencies found in a number of records, there is a 4% inaccuracy rate.
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Old 01-19-2010, 08:24 AM
 
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Actually illegal immigration can be considered a tumor. They are a foreign body to our country. They do not belong here. They need to be removed and a cure implemented to prevent further spread or relapse.

No, see a brain tumor can kill you. Also tumors aren't foreign bodies (they are YOUR own cells that can't stop dividing).

As a cancer survivor I can tell you that there are very few 100% cures and a great many partials.

I know, however, there are thresholds of what would be considered a "good treatment" or not. Doctors look at the efficacy rate to determine thresholds. I had to study and look at efficacy, mortality, and morbidity rates for class. It's the same concept for this. You obviously want a plan that has high efficacy and low mortality and morbidity rates.

Unless the tumor is benign which illegals are not they almost never wait for something better to come along.

People are not tumors.

Experimental. Almost all cancer treatments are considered experimental. It cuts down on the law suits.

That's actually VERY not true.

The 10% unemployment rate is the reason to implement not delay. For every job filled by an illegal, a legal has that much less chance of finding work.

So you want to implement something that could INCREASE unemployment instead of trying to solve the inconsistencies and KEEP those people in their jobs? The economy will bounce back, in fact it's meekly starting. So it's a good idea to hold off on something that can cause harm.
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Old 01-19-2010, 08:24 AM
 
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Actually illegal immigration can be considered a tumor. They are a foreign body to our country. They do not belong here. They need to be removed and a cure implemented to prevent further spread or relapse.
As a cancer survivor I can tell you that there are very few 100% cures and a great many partials. Unless the tumor is benign which illegals are not they almost never wait for something better to come along.
Experimental. Almost all cancer treatments are considered experimental. It cuts down on the law suits.
The 10% unemployment rate is the reason to implement not delay. For every job filled by an illegal, a legal has that much less chance of finding work.
Exactly, and in regards to e-verify there would be very few Americans who would be permanently excluded from work once any mismatches are cleared up in the database. Their numbers would be minute compared to the percentages that would show up suspect where an illegal alien application is being processed. E-verify would also be a deterrant to most illegals to even apply for a job where e-verify is being used. If they knew that all or most employers are using it they wouldn't even try to get hired.
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Old 01-19-2010, 08:27 AM
 
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Exactly, and in regards to e-verify there would be very few Americans who would be permanently excluded from work once any mismatches are cleared up in the database. Their numbers would be minute compared to the percentages that would show up suspect where an illegal alien application is being processed. E-verify would also be a deterrant to most illegals to even apply for a job where e-verify is being used. If they knew that all or most employers are using it they wouldn't even try to get hired.
4% of ALL workers is MINUTE? That's A LOT of people. I don't understand the illogic of not wanting to make the system better before implementation. It's the same logic we used to go to Iraq. Urgency that led to more harm than good. Make the plan and system better before use. It's not that hard of a concept.
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Old 01-19-2010, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Due to inconsistencies found in a number of records, there is a 4% inaccuracy rate.
In all fairness: if that 4% of E-Verify queries were questionable, common sense would be to err on the side of caution and not reject them Remember: innocent till proven guilty.

There would still be a 96% success rate which would translate to scads of illegals being cut off.
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Old 01-19-2010, 08:45 AM
 
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In all fairness: if that 4% of E-Verify queries were questionable, common sense would be to err on the side of caution and not reject them Remember: innocent till proven guilty.

There would still be a 96% success rate which would translate to scads of illegals being cut off.
The question becomes, 4% of what number. This is why people take issue. There are about 140 million working Americans. Thus 4% of that is 5,600,000. That's a large number. That's about 2% of the ENTIRE population of the United States. What system will we have in place to hear the concerns of 5.6 million people? That's a big undertaking.

So why not IMPROVE the system. Notice, nobody has answered this question.
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Old 01-19-2010, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Nope it's not. Benicar, legal residents will have a problem. That's why IL doesn't want to participate in the program.
Nope, IL doesn’t want to participate, because next to CA they have the highest population of illegal aliens. They are also being “represented” by an illegal alien peddler, Louis Gutierrez.
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Old 01-19-2010, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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The question becomes, 4% of what number. This is why people take issue. There are about 140 million working Americans. Thus 4% of that is 5,600,000. That's a large number. That's about 2% of the ENTIRE population of the United States. What system will we have in place to hear the concerns of 5.6 million people? That's a big undertaking.

So why not IMPROVE the system. Notice, nobody has answered this question.
I don’t think you should be too concerned about “improving” the system. The IA peddlers have proposed to replace the entire system, and start from scratch. Perhaps in 10 years it will be foolproof.
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