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I'm sitting here looking at how hard it is to legally immigrate. I mean come on I have to get someone to employ me then live there for like a few years before I even get perm. res. then another 5 so like 8 years to be a citizen.
I can see why many mexicans just say f-it why should i wait like 8 years just to pick corn?
Plus if you were living in crappy mexico born into poverty and right beside america what else would you do. don't get me wrong mexico's is not really all that poor, and its hand are not that clean, but on the individual level there is a huge reason to jump the fence.
If I was a mexican I probably would, its not really worth it to drink feces infested water when you can live somewhere illegally not that bad.
I mean mexicans would probably be willing to come legally if usa allowed more legal immigrants and relaxed the rules of being a millionaire to enter down to something more middle class.
I'm sitting here looking at how hard it is to legally immigrate. I mean come on I have to get someone to employ me then live there for like a few years before I even get perm. res. then another 5 so like 8 years to be a citizen.
I can see why many mexicans just say f-it why should i wait like 8 years just to pick corn?
Plus if you were living in crappy mexico born into poverty and right beside america what else would you do. don't get me wrong mexico's is not really all that poor, and its hand are not that clean, but on the individual level there is a huge reason to jump the fence.
If I was a mexican I probably would, its not really worth it to drink feces infested water when you can live somewhere illegally not that bad.
I mean mexicans would probably be willing to come legally if usa allowed more legal immigrants and relaxed the rules of being a millionaire to enter down to something more middle class.
To be blunt: since the USA is still a desirable place to live; we can pick and choose whom we let in. If that offends Mexico-----------tough!
If anything; I would like our immigration laws revert to the pre 1965 quota system.
Not our problem. Its that simple. What our problem is, is the entitlment mentality of illegals and their facilitators.
Does america deserve illegals? No we do not. What we deserve are (honest) hard working immigrants. We don't need the criminals who infest this nation demanding special rights.
I'm not saying america deserves the thug illegals like who beat and rob people and gangbang, but to an extent when you lock out normal people from immigrating, its not unsurprising you get a bunch of people who come their illegally.
I'm sitting here looking at how hard it is to legally immigrate. I mean come on I have to get someone to employ me then live there for like a few years before I even get perm. res. then another 5 so like 8 years to be a citizen.
I can see why many mexicans just say f-it why should i wait like 8 years just to pick corn?
Plus if you were living in crappy mexico born into poverty and right beside america what else would you do. don't get me wrong mexico's is not really all that poor, and its hand are not that clean, but on the individual level there is a huge reason to jump the fence.
If I was a mexican I probably would, its not really worth it to drink feces infested water when you can live somewhere illegally not that bad.
I mean mexicans would probably be willing to come legally if usa allowed more legal immigrants and relaxed the rules of being a millionaire to enter down to something more middle class.
Essentially, you are advocating the importation of poverty. Why on earth should the U.S. choose to admit millions of the uneducated and unskilled from Mexico, or any other country? Countries generally grant immigration status to those with knowledge and skills that will benefit the country. Why should the U.S. differ?
Perhaps if they postponed childbirth, and pursued an education, it would improve their eligibility. Sorry, but we already have more than enough poor citizens, we don’t need more.
No I am saying the usa should allow normal middle class immigrants to immigrate provided they show they are dedicated to america.
On the other hand I was merely pointing out that on an individual level that any given person put in a situation to live in poverty in mexico that you were born into or go to usa illegally would obviously choose to be an illegal.
Although I am not really an advocate of illegal immigration as a policy what I would say is that for a long time usa let a bunch of poor people in who were illerate to basically go farm land. How are mexicans any different except that they are not from europe? Seriously answer the question, most americans and canadians ancestors came to their country as illerate folks from europe, what makes our ancestors better than mexicans?
Essentially, you are advocating the importation of poverty. Why on earth should the U.S. choose to admit millions of the uneducated and unskilled from Mexico, or any other country? Countries generally grant immigration status to those with knowledge and skills that will benefit the country. Why should the U.S. differ?
Perhaps if they postponed childbirth, and pursued an education, it would improve their eligibility. Sorry, but we already have more than enough poor citizens, we don’t need more.
Because there's already a market for low wage unskilled labor? If there weren't, then these people wouldn't have jobs waiting for them when they came over. In a lot (or most) cases they get a job through a friend or relative in the U.S. and then make a trip over the border. They don't hop over just to hang out for a few months. It's expensive and risky to get here, they need an income ASAP.
As for education, for a lot of these people that isn't an option. Even those immigrants who are educated and come legally often run into visa issues. My roommate is the only U.S. citizen in her office, so she's always complaining how her coworkers have to leave for a few weeks in order to be able to come back. They're also having problems because a person on their team went home to Pakistan (for the same reason as above) and now can't get back in due to visa issues. The system is just weird. Even my father may have technically been "illegal" for a good chunk of his life because his parents either forgot or didn't realize the form they had to fill out for him. He discovered this after serving in the military and getting married.
No I am saying the usa should allow normal middle class immigrants to immigrate provided they show they are dedicated to america.
On the other hand I was merely pointing out that on an individual level that any given person put in a situation to live in poverty in mexico that you were born into or go to usa illegally would obviously choose to be an illegal.
Although I am not really an advocate of illegal immigration as a policy what I would say is that for a long time usa let a bunch of poor people in who were illerate to basically go farm land. How are mexicans any different except that they are not from europe? Seriously answer the question, most americans and canadians ancestors came to their country as illerate folks from europe, what makes our ancestors better than mexicans?
We do allow normal productive people to immigrate to our nation.
There is a reason we say no. There is a reason we demand a standard.
There is no difference if they are illegals.
Ancient history? Man has evolved. This is a nation of laws. One would expect a person to respect our laws if they want to move here.
Because there's already a market for low wage unskilled labor? If there weren't, then these people wouldn't have jobs waiting for them when they came over. In a lot (or most) cases they get a job through a friend or relative in the U.S. and then make a trip over the border. They don't hop over just to hang out for a few months. It's expensive and risky to get here, they need an income ASAP.
As for education, for a lot of these people that isn't an option. Even those immigrants who are educated and come legally often run into visa issues. My roommate is the only U.S. citizen in her office, so she's always complaining how her coworkers have to leave for a few weeks in order to be able to come back. They're also having problems because a person on their team went home to Pakistan (for the same reason as above) and now can't get back in due to visa issues. The system is just weird. Even my father may have technically been "illegal" for a good chunk of his life because his parents either forgot or didn't realize the form they had to fill out for him. He discovered this after serving in the military and getting married.
Yes, there is a market for low-skilled workers. However, that is not the reason employers prefer to hire illegal aliens. It is simply due to greed. They realize they can exploit illegal aliens by paying below-minimum wage, and no benefits. They also save by not paying the required taxes and insurance. This is displacing citizens, and I really don’t understand how anyone can condone this illegal practice.
I agree that we need to change certain policies for legal immigration. We are educating many foreigners who desire to remain in this country, but are forced to leave. I have no issue with immigration reform for those who choose to obey our laws. However, I do not endorse any bill that will reward illegal aliens. Our immigration policies may not be ideal, but that does not justify the wanton disregard of the laws of our sovereign nation.
Yes, there is a market for low-skilled workers. However, that is not the reason employers prefer to hire illegal aliens. It is simply due to greed. They realize they can exploit illegal aliens by paying below-minimum wage, and no benefits. They also save by not paying the required taxes and insurance. This is displacing citizens, and I really don’t understand how anyone can condone this illegal practice.
I agree that we need to change certain policies for legal immigration. We are educating many foreigners who desire to remain in this country, but are forced to leave. I have no issue with immigration reform for those who choose to obey our laws. However, I do not endorse any bill that will reward illegal aliens. Our immigration policies may not be ideal, but that does not justify the wanton disregard of the laws of our sovereign nation.
Well stated and I totally agree!
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