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Old 01-30-2010, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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do you have a point though???? Are you suggesting that if a white guy robs a bank in NY that all white guys in NY should be questioned?

You seem to have a poor grasp of what rights we actually have .
In a specific area: all White guys of a certain appearance should be profiled if someone of that description committed a crime. That is not racism either.
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Old 01-30-2010, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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so we agree you support racial profiling and the infringement of constitutional rights. At least we got that straight.
Of course I support profiling (racial or not) if there is probable cause and it is done politely.
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Old 01-30-2010, 01:02 PM
 
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do you have a point though???? Are you suggesting that if a white guy robs a bank in NY that all white guys in NY should be questioned?

You seem to have a poor grasp of what rights we actually have .
Did you actually ask this? Anyway, of course not. But if a white guy matching the description of the criminal (color of hair, facial, car, clothes) is in the surrounding area, being stopped is a realistic probability. AND ok with me. AND should be if he has nothing to hide. Who cares if I do not know all the nooks and crannies of my rights. I rarely need to have them challenged because I follow the laws. I just wish illegal aliens would get it through their heads that they have no rights as they are not Americans and are criminals in this country.
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Old 01-30-2010, 02:10 PM
 
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In a specific area: all White guys of a certain appearance should be profiled if someone of that description committed a crime. That is not racism either.

you simply don't get the the 4th amendment do you?
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Old 01-30-2010, 02:11 PM
 
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Of course I support profiling (racial or not) if there is probable cause and it is done politely.

ummmmmmmmmm if there is real probable cause there is no reason for profiling. Do you even get the difference? Real probable cause is already a reason to question people so no need to profile
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Old 01-30-2010, 02:18 PM
 
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Did you actually ask this? Anyway, of course not. But if a white guy matching the description of the criminal (color of hair, facial, car, clothes) is in the surrounding area, being stopped is a realistic probability. AND ok with me. AND should be if he has nothing to hide. Who cares if I do not know all the nooks and crannies of my rights. I rarely need to have them challenged because I follow the laws. I just wish illegal aliens would get it through their heads that they have no rights as they are not Americans and are criminals in this country.

you are comparing apples to oranges. In your case you are saying someone matches the exact description of a bank robber. Ok thats probable cause. Saying some is mexican looking is not probable cause for interrogation. Secondly you never know when your rights will be challenged. As I have stated before my right shave been challenged when I have done nothing wrong at all. That does not make it ok. If you don't stand up for your rights they will disappear. They were established to protect innocent people not criminals, don't you get that. If you just give up one right today tomorrow they will take another. SO maybe then a cop shows up at your door and says "Hey i want to search your house" are you going to let him just because you have nothing to hide? I sure hope not.

No one is arguing that illegal immigrants have the same rights as citizens but people here legally do and so do citizens have the right to not be stopped, harrassed, questioned etc for no reason other than racial profiling.
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Old 01-30-2010, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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you simply don't get the the 4th amendment do you?
Tell that to a cop and see how fast you wind up being cuffed and stuffed. Rule #1 with 'The Man' is not to cop a bad attitude.

Bottom line: if you are 'clean'; you have nothing to worry about
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Old 01-30-2010, 08:24 PM
 
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Agreed, AZBear. What's all the fuss? Show your proof of citizenship and move on! You know, like when crossing into another country. Unfortunately all conflicts have casualties, collateral damage if you will and a few ruffled feathers for being late because someone asked them to flash a document to prove they are NOT a criminal is much less damage than if this continues to get out of control. When people act irresponsibly (disregarding rules) someone has to take control of the situation.
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Old 01-30-2010, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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ummmmmmmmmm if there is real probable cause there is no reason for profiling. Do you even get the difference? Real probable cause is already a reason to question people so no need to profile
You don't know if any of this was profiling. The Pro-Illegals said it was profiling just to cause a diversion, so that's what you believe.
Your taking sides without knowing the truth of either one of them
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Old 01-31-2010, 09:49 AM
 
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you are comparing apples to oranges. In your case you are saying someone matches the exact description of a bank robber. Ok thats probable cause. Saying some is mexican looking is not probable cause for interrogation. Secondly you never know when your rights will be challenged. As I have stated before my right shave been challenged when I have done nothing wrong at all. That does not make it ok. If you don't stand up for your rights they will disappear. They were established to protect innocent people not criminals, don't you get that. If you just give up one right today tomorrow they will take another. SO maybe then a cop shows up at your door and says "Hey i want to search your house" are you going to let him just because you have nothing to hide? I sure hope not.

No one is arguing that illegal immigrants have the same rights as citizens but people here legally do and so do citizens have the right to not be stopped, harrassed, questioned etc for no reason other than racial profiling.
I don't understand what you don't understand. I do not "know" terms like profiling, etc and really don't care about being "politically correct" as it is used all too often to muddy the waters of an issue. Who made up those terms anyway? All I know is that if no one has any thing to hide, let them prove they are not here criminally and then move on. For those who are criminals I hope we round them up as soon as possible and get them off of the system that is being drained by them. It's really as simple as that.

I took a wrong turn one time and wound up in a neighborhood that was known for drug deals, I didn't know that either. I was lost. A cop came out of nowhere and pulled me over. He was very upset and wondered why I was in that neighborhood. I told him I was lost. He checked around my car, took my info ran a check and then scolded me for being in a dangerous place and escorted me back out. I never took that wrong turn again and thank him for making sure I got out of there safely.
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