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Old 01-21-2010, 03:11 PM
 
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AZbear this is something I don't understand about people living in AZ, SoCal and parts of Texas...

Why do they live in a place so close to Mexico (practically on the border) and have no tolerance of Mexican culture or people looking stereotypically Mexican?

If I lived close to a border, I would be smart enough to expect some overlap of culture.
No tolerance for Mexican culture? What are you talking about? If a white or black guy were playing rap or some other music real loud I think we would all object to that to. In fact rap gives me a headache especially when played real loud. It has nothing to do with looks so I don't know where that is coming from. It is when someone's culture is in your face and being rude that is objectionable or if they are here illegally.
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Old 01-21-2010, 03:26 PM
 
Location: central Oregon
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No tolerance for Mexican culture? What are you talking about? If a white or black guy were playing rap or some other music real loud I think we would all object to that to. In fact rap gives me a headache especially when played real loud. It has nothing to do with looks so I don't know where that is coming from. It is when someone's culture is in your face and being rude that is objectionable or if they are here illegally.
So very true!
I lived peacefully in AZ for about 25 of 30 years. Those last 5 years ('99 - '04) were not peaceful at all. The MAIN reason we left AZ was because we could not stand the blaring music any more. Bombarded from all sides, night and day. Our house literally shook. Wasn't rap playing.
Asking them to turn it down was a joke... they would laugh in our faces and turn it louder.
It was RUDE and they didn't care.
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Old 01-21-2010, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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AZbear this is something I don't understand about people living in AZ, SoCal and parts of Texas...

Why do they live in a place so close to Mexico (practically on the border) and have no tolerance of Mexican culture or people looking stereotypically Mexican?

If I lived close to a border, I would be smart enough to expect some overlap of culture...telling folks to not look or act mexican? wow.
Music cranked up loud is a lower class cultural trait; somehow I doubt the Middle Class people SoB appreciate that noise either.

And the reality is that societal tolerance towards 'multiculturalism' is ebbing quite rapidly--------back towards assimilate to the dominant WASP culture or leave the USA.
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Old 01-21-2010, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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So very true!
I lived peacefully in AZ for about 25 of 30 years. Those last 5 years ('99 - '04) were not peaceful at all. The MAIN reason we left AZ was because we could not stand the blaring music any more. Bombarded from all sides, night and day. Our house literally shook. Wasn't rap playing.
Asking them to turn it down was a joke... they would laugh in our faces and turn it louder.
It was RUDE and they didn't care.
And evern since 2007; there is less and less of that ghetto noise being played since it gives LE probable cause to (informally) profile and maybe snag an illegal or three.
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Old 01-21-2010, 04:04 PM
 
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I don't think any officer is going to stop someone because they 'look' like an illegal alien. More likely they'll be stopped for something else originally. Police officers get a pretty good feel for people, and when someone is acting nervous, or jittery, they know something's not right. Failure to notice things like that, and proceed with caution, until they find out what's going on, could mean their lives. Further questioning could lead to the fact that the person is an illegal alien. More than likely that's how it will be happen. Of course if they see a pickup headed north from the border with 10-12 people in the back, that's a pretty good indication they're illegal aliens, and would probably be stopped for that reason alone.
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Old 01-21-2010, 06:34 PM
 
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I donít believe they will actually stop people. I think the bill is intended to send a message, and thus force illegals to leave.

No its another way to take away our rights. They don't right laws to scare people. Remember there is already laws against illegal immigration.

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As usual, Illegals and their supporters are more worried about "legal enforcement".

Its called the constitution my friend.

Why is it that if anyone mentions banning hand grenades people scream about the 2nd amendment but stop people and search them because they "look" like they might be illegal (whatever that means). If anyone complains they must love illegal immigrants.

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To start enforcing "existing" immigration laws.

you don't need new laws to enforce old ones

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If that does happens, just show the police officer your driver's license, maybe answer a couple of quick questions, and you'll be back on the road in a few minutes.

4th amendment rights?????


they have zero right to stop someone because they look mexican

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He won't! He will just question the suspect as he was questioned before. If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about. Since when do we have the right to not be questioned by law enforcement? Those who object use racial so-called profiling as an excuse to shelter illegal aliens.

You most certainly have a right not to be stopped for no reason......The same people who scream about police states and losing freedoms and socialism support the police being able to visually profile people and stop them as they wish? Thats BS. I am a white male, should we all be stopped and asked if we are child molesters?

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Tough, if I were getting a speeding ticket on the way to work (even though I might not think I deserved it) I would expect to be late for work.

If a white guy committed some kind of crime and LE were looking for him during the course of the investigation who do you think they would be questioning? Black females?


ok so know in the us we have a new policy assume guilt until proven innocent is that it

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Old 01-21-2010, 06:46 PM
 
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ok so know in the us we have a new policy assume guilt until proven innocent is that it
What? Questioning a possible suspect does not equate to making them automatically guilty.
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Old 01-21-2010, 06:51 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Its called the constitution my friend.
Why is it that if anyone mentions banning hand grenades people scream about the 2nd amendment but stop people and search them because they "look" like they might be illegal (whatever that means). If anyone complains they must love illegal immigrants.
Where in the US Constitution does it say anything about where people should fear existing laws that are enforced?

Or let's put it this way...
Your saying that it's a Constitutional right for an Illegal Immigrant to complain about a law that affects them?
They have no rights in this country!
They only think they do.....
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Old 01-21-2010, 06:53 PM
 
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You most certainly have a right not to be stopped for no reason......The same people who scream about police states and losing freedoms and socialism support the police being able to visually profile people and stop them as they wish? Thats BS. I am a white male, should we all be stopped and asked if we are child molesters?
But that is just it! They aren't being stopped for no reason or questioned just because of the color of their skin. If someone is behaving in a way that is suspicious or have violated a traffic law it is under those circumstances that they are being questioned. Let's just say you fit the description of someone who has broken the law and I don't mean just skin color. Other characteristics can come into play or being at a certain place at a certain time could give reason for LE to question you. Any American no matter their skin color or whatever should be happy to cooperate with LE to help them get criminals off the streets....that is unless they themselves have something to hide.
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Old 01-21-2010, 06:54 PM
 
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4th amendment rights?????


they have zero right to stop someone because they look mexican
The police shouldn't be stopping anyone for the sole reason that they look Hispanic. But the police could use that as one of several factors when profiling a person in trying to determine whether that person is more likely than not an illegal alien.
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