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Old 07-19-2007, 02:20 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Originally Posted by Nea1 View Post
Kele, dont bother. You cannot make them see whats going on. Dont let it get to you. Many dont care what happens to America, but the ones that do will put an end to it , progress will be made, people are waking up.
I beg to differ. I can only speak for myself - but I care what happens here in the Unites States and the progress that will be made. I don't want to see my friends, family, neighbors regress into a xenophobic state of mind, and the progress I speak about is evolution as a civilization, as a whole nation.

Negative attitudes towards others, assigning blame everywhere, whining, unsocial behavior, not being accountable, not holding others accountable is what I call "no progress" and selfish.

People have been awake a long time, a long time - good morning, how are you?

 
Old 07-19-2007, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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Negative attitudes towards others, assigning blame everywhere, whining, unsocial behavior, not being accountable"

So far this has been Americas experience with the illegals. Of which having to work with them for the last 15 years I can say without a doubt has been true. I have lived in a border state, Phoenix and have seen nothing but "unsocial" behavior from them as well as a few other things. I have many friends that are legal hispanics and they too have had it with the illeglas, breaking laws, whining about not getting their way, demanding more freebies, stepping on our customs, laws and flag and generally treating America like crap. I am all for legal immigration, both sides of my family (Irish during the famine and germany during the war)came here legally, recieved no help from government, assimulated and learned english and worked their butts off. For those, I have the upmost repect for, the others, can kiss my rear.
 
Old 07-19-2007, 02:41 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Kele, please, the way you've posted, the things you post about (I thought you were a bad guy);

You have to consider the audience and who gave you those rep points. I've been reading since you starting posting, those rep points are meaningless (except to you). When you first started posting - I 'guessed' that you were a professional student getting over an abusive marriage, becuase of how and what you posted. Maybe you assumed yourself to be a Subject Matter Expert on certain things, all in all, it's just opinions and you are very much entitled to them.

Don't be cross at Mx Dude - his one liners have had far more meaninful points than your 'researched' opinions.

See what happens when a little bit of Texas rubs off on you?
I had my share of Texas for 24 years, thank you. Cretinous and seditious attitudes such as yours, are one of the reasons I left.

Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but you'll never make it as a psychic. You're way off base with regards to your "guesses." However, I know that you believe yourself to be a clever wit, so far be it from me to deny you the pleasure that notion must bring you.

While I have never claimed to know all there is to know about any particular subject (after all, it wouldn't be very Wittgensteinian of me to deny the unknown, now would it?) I am quite knowledgable in the field of Anthropology, which is the field in which I received my undergraduate degree. You are semi-correct in your guess that I am a student, but I've finished my undergrad studies and am now working on my M.A. in the field of Paleo-Indian Archeology.

My father-in-law is considered to be one of the leading Meso-American scholar/archeologists of our time, so much so, that the Fowler Museum at U.C.L.A. has dedicated an entire archive to his scholastic work in the field of the Aztec and Meso American studies. There is nothing about Mexico, its history, and its people that he doesn't know. He dedicated his life and his love to the study of all things Mexico. When I am in need of information, I go right to the source.

Needless to say, Wikipedia is not my reference tool of choice, although I'm sure that you find it to be a wonderful source of misinformation.

You've stated that you have read my posts ever since I began posting in this forum. Are you telling us that you just lurked in the forum for months, waiting for your opportunity to pounce? I'm going to go out on a limb here and venture to say that you have not read more than one or two of my comments at most. All of the information I've stated in this post has been available in much of my previous discourse. You didn't even need to tap into your mystical side to "guess" where I'm coming from, but then, I know that it's much more amusing for you to stereotype me based on your psychic vibrations.

By the way Tex, spell check is your friend.

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Old 07-19-2007, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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Originally Posted by Kele View Post
I had my share of Texas for 24 years, thank you. Cretinous and seditious attitudes such as yours, are one of the reasons I left.

Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but you'll never make it as a psychic. You're way off base with regards to your "guesses." However, I know that you believe yourself to be a clever wit, so far be it from me to deny you the pleasure that notion must bring you.

While I have never claimed to know all there is to know about any particular subject (after all, it wouldn't be very Wittgensteinian of me to deny the unknown, now would it?) I am quite knowledgable in the field of Anthropology, which is the field in which I received my undergraduate degree. You are semi-correct in your guess that I am a student, but I've finished my undergrad studies and am now working on my M.A. in the field of Paleo-Indian Archeology.

My father-in-law is considered to be one of the leading Meso-American scholar/archeologists of our time, so much so, that the Fowler Museum at U.C.L.A. has dedicated an entire archive to his scholastic work in the field of the Aztec and Meso American studies. There is nothing about Mexico, its history, and its people that he doesn't know. He dedicated his life and his love to the study of all things Mexico. When I am in need of information, I go right to the source.

Needless to say, Wikipedia is not my reference tool of choice, although I'm sure that you find it to be a wonderful source of misinformation.

You've stated that you have read my posts ever since I began posting in this forum. Are you telling us that you just lurked in the forum for months, waiting for your opportunity to pounce? I'm going to go out on a limb here and venture to say that you have not read more than one or two of my comments at most. All of the information I've stated in this post has been available in much of my previous discourse. You didn't even need to tap into your mystical side to "guess" where I'm coming from, but then, I know that it's much more amusing for you to stereotype me based on your psychic vibrations.

By the way Tex, spell check is your friend.


Great post Kele. I wish I could give you more reps!!!!
 
Old 07-19-2007, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Cuernavaca, Mexico
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Guys, please calm down and get back on topic. I also dont think that mentioning other great tragedies (WWII in general) here is necessary.
Yac.
Got it, chief—WWII is taboo. Any other taboos?
 
Old 07-19-2007, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Cuernavaca, Mexico
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The "Aztlan" scenario, promoted by the "ignorant masses" of activists, is what inflames our own "ignorant masses" up here in the US, into a xenophobic fury.
Good point, and very well put, MacMeal.
 
Old 07-19-2007, 05:24 PM
 
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Perhaps I haven’t made my position clear on this point; I am not in favor of illegal immigration of any kind. I do believe that the United States should have owned up to the fact that there was a labor void and a real need for cheaper foreign workers decades ago, and made the necessary immigration reforms.
MexicanGuy,

I enjoy your posts and your obvious reasoned thinking, but I have to take issue with the above.

This is how all this colossal mess got started.

There was neither a labor void nor a need for cheaper foreign workers decades ago, and there have been less of both in the last 10 years! I can’t put this strongly enough: YOUR STATEMENT IS ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT!

America doesn’t suffer from a lack of bodies and hasn’t for a very long time; it suffers from a lack of creative thinking in businesses of every size. And it isn’t because there are no creative minds within these businesses, it’s because our tax codes, rules, regulations, and legislation remove the need to be creative or to make the best business decisions to make profit. Many stay in business under false pretenses all the while never making any real changes for increased productivity.

The worst offenders are very large businesses; they get the most corporate welfare from the government’s machinations. If you’d like, I can post the common plan for getting enormous cash paid to management and shareholders (mostly unconnected who play in the biggest casino of all—the stock market), all to be covered by the glorious claim of globalization. But it will be long post and maybe you already know how this is done.

Why be creative when it’s so easy to make money without increasing productivity or being a corporation that is actually a good citizen?

If we ever get control of government and stop this insanity with corporate welfare, we’ll invest in cutting-edge technology, we’ll INVENT cutting-edge technology, we’ll make the breakthrough discoveries that are awaiting, we’ll make investments in American businesses that are true capitalist ventures that MUST compete in a world market but do so with the theory that a pie that gets bigger but is cut into the same number of pieces is better.

With this immigration rush brought on by businesses, the biggest accomplishment is an ever increasing number of slices of pie cut from a pie that is getting big enough fast enough. And in fact, the whole idea behind the corporatists’ actions is to increase the numbers of consumers of goods produced from overseas so that the corporate welfare scheme can empty ever larger amounts of capital and assets into the coffers of a very small group. And this group certainly doesn’t have any motivation to invest in American businesses—unless they can have a steady stream of immigrants to do their bidding. By paying low enough wages, profits can be made and distributed among ownership WITHOUT having to learn about new ideas, spend capital on R&D, invent, refurbish, build new, etc.

America is actually going to lag behind in advancement because of the very actions of the businesses that should be investing to achieve advancement.

There are more than enough American citizens to do all the work required. And about those jobs Americans don’t want to do, here are a few ideas, and the list can go on, and on, and on . . . :

Instead of fining people for parking in spots set aside for disabled parking; have them paint the parking lots for new spots that are needed; have them do labor for companies installing railings and ramps for disabled access in buildings.

Instead of paying immigrants to pick fruit have the family and friends of the farmer do the picking. My ex-wife’s family had an apple orchard and we all picked it every year; between family, friends, and neighbors, it all got picked it a few days.

Kids who want to earn a good income for spending money throughout the year can EARN the money instead of having it handed to them.

We have millions of prisoners in jails in America. Hundreds of thousands of them might become productive citizens if they’re put to work in agriculture and construction activities, but even those who won’t can provide taxpayer relief by collecting compensation from the businesses that put them to work INSTEAD OF IMMIGRANTS, illegal or legal.

There are simply too many ways to accomplish whatever is needed right here in America to be stupidly caving in to business welfare interests. Immigration is not the answer; creative thinking and actions are.

And, of course, this is how Mexico should be operating. And Mexico should be actively stopping the illegal immigration. But then the Mexican government has thrown in with neoconservatives in American government and businesses and they have their own “rewards” programs, don’t they?

So what is the plan for Mexico regarding emigration to the US illegally under US law?
 
Old 07-20-2007, 12:37 AM
 
Location: Cuernavaca, Mexico
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Originally Posted by happyappy View Post
There was neither a labor void nor a need for cheaper foreign workers decades ago, and there have been less of both in the last 10 years! I can’t put this strongly enough: YOUR STATEMENT IS ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT!

America doesn’t suffer from a lack of bodies and hasn’t for a very long time; it suffers from a lack of creative thinking in businesses of every size. And it isn’t because there are no creative minds within these businesses, it’s because our tax codes, rules, regulations, and legislation remove the need to be creative or to make the best business decisions to make profit. Many stay in business under false pretenses all the while never making any real changes for increased productivity.

The worst offenders are very large businesses; they get the most corporate welfare from the government’s machinations. If you’d like, I can post the common plan for getting enormous cash paid to management and shareholders (mostly unconnected who play in the biggest casino of all—the stock market), all to be covered by the glorious claim of globalization. But it will be long post and maybe you already know how this is done.

Why be creative when it’s so easy to make money without increasing productivity or being a corporation that is actually a good citizen?

If we ever get control of government and stop this insanity with corporate welfare, we’ll invest in cutting-edge technology, we’ll INVENT cutting-edge technology, we’ll make the breakthrough discoveries that are awaiting, we’ll make investments in American businesses that are true capitalist ventures that MUST compete in a world market but do so with the theory that a pie that gets bigger but is cut into the same number of pieces is better.

With this immigration rush brought on by businesses, the biggest accomplishment is an ever increasing number of slices of pie cut from a pie that is getting big enough fast enough. And in fact, the whole idea behind the corporatists’ actions is to increase the numbers of consumers of goods produced from overseas so that the corporate welfare scheme can empty ever larger amounts of capital and assets into the coffers of a very small group. And this group certainly doesn’t have any motivation to invest in American businesses—unless they can have a steady stream of immigrants to do their bidding. By paying low enough wages, profits can be made and distributed among ownership WITHOUT having to learn about new ideas, spend capital on R&D, invent, refurbish, build new, etc.

America is actually going to lag behind in advancement because of the very actions of the businesses that should be investing to achieve advancement.
This is all very interesting and makes sense. I'm glad to finally see someone addressing the root causes and origins of this issue, instead of simply lashing out against the immigrants, in the hopes of stirring up enough xenophobic reactions.

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Originally Posted by happyappy View Post
There are more than enough American citizens to do all the work required. And about those jobs Americans don’t want to do, here are a few ideas, and the list can go on, and on, and on . . . :

Instead of fining people for parking in spots set aside for disabled parking; have them paint the parking lots for new spots that are needed; have them do labor for companies installing railings and ramps for disabled access in buildings.

Instead of paying immigrants to pick fruit have the family and friends of the farmer do the picking. My ex-wife’s family had an apple orchard and we all picked it every year; between family, friends, and neighbors, it all got picked it a few days.

Kids who want to earn a good income for spending money throughout the year can EARN the money instead of having it handed to them.

We have millions of prisoners in jails in America. Hundreds of thousands of them might become productive citizens if they’re put to work in agriculture and construction activities, but even those who won’t can provide taxpayer relief by collecting compensation from the businesses that put them to work INSTEAD OF IMMIGRANTS, illegal or legal.

There are simply too many ways to accomplish whatever is needed right here in America to be stupidly caving in to business welfare interests. Immigration is not the answer; creative thinking and actions are.
Good points; I especially liked the fourth idea, and I must say it has crossed my mind also.

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Originally Posted by happyappy View Post
And, of course, this is how Mexico should be operating. And Mexico should be actively stopping the illegal immigration. But then the Mexican government has thrown in with neoconservatives in American government and businesses and they have their own “rewards” programs, don’t they?

So what is the plan for Mexico regarding emigration to the US illegally under US law?
I believe that the current Mexican government’s agenda is to put pressure on the United States government to pass immigration reform that comprises guest worker programs. However, it seems that the new president’s long-term plan is to build up Mexico’s economy and fight poverty, thereby reducing the need for emigration. I’m a believer in this president and his intentions, and I think he’s gotten off to a good start, but only time will tell…
 
Old 07-20-2007, 06:27 AM
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Got it, chief—WWII is taboo. Any other taboos?
Not taboo, there are no taboos here, but off topic.
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Old 07-20-2007, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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Myth?!?!?! My brother in law is a cop in LA , 90% of the arrests and warrants are on (yes sorry) hispanics illegals or not I am not sure, he says most are. I have been there too many times, I feel completely out of place. It is a fact sorry no myth. I think if most assimulated, or even wanted to, and did it the rightway, there would be little issue. You cant crap on the USA and expect and warm hug.
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