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Old 01-25-2010, 03:48 PM
 
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I'm aware but the point is they were never issued a visa in the first place simply because their low income level places them in a "risk" area of overstaying their visa if given one. In reality they just want visitors visas so they can come visit us in Minnesota. There are no such intentions of violating any regulations or policies whatsoever.
Ok, these are the kinds of things I could go along with on any CIR but amnesty for illegal alien border jumpers? No way!
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Old 01-25-2010, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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You just describes American Blacks and Southern Whites as a group till the 1960's yet they with few exceptions did not run off to Canada. What makes Mexicans do different? If you are insinuating that they are somehow 'inferior' due to the peons having darker skin........that smacks of racism IMHO.
I'm not insinuating that, I have no idea how you came up with this from what I posted. I'm not saying I condone one's choice to immigrate illegally, but I see where they are coming from. Putting myself in their shoes it is likely I'd do the same damn thing. Why? Because it is ridiculously easy to do and the reward for doing so is very high compared to the possibilities in most 3rd world countries.

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As for Mexico: starvation is obviously not a problem: that $3,000-5,000 a head being paid to the coyotes would buy a hell of a lot of food SoB..
From most people I know that is borrowed money. You think there are Mexicans or other Latin Americans who have 3-5k lying around? For the vast majority of them the answer to that is - NOT A CHANCE.

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I agree with everything you said in your last paragraph but your second remark. Yes, we can and should blame the illegals for breaking our laws along with all the other lawbreakers involved in this issue. No one should get a pass.
I just see the illegal immigrants as more of a product or, or result of a faulty system. A law doesn't mean anything if it isn't effectively enforced and I think the government to a large extent is dropping the ball on that piece of the issue. Alot less focus would have to be placed on border control if nobody could get a job in the US without legitimate documentation.
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Old 01-25-2010, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Ok, these are the kinds of things I could go along with on any CIR but amnesty for illegal alien border jumpers? No way!
See, I agree with you on that. I'll play the devil's advocate on those topics but in reality I don't see amnesty as the best answer and definitely not an effective solution to the problem.
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Old 01-25-2010, 04:33 PM
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Another attempt to make the younger generations feel sorry for them.

And again, no matter how tear jurking you make it look, there's no justification in it.
And who's gonna feel sorry for Americans once our country has been fully taken over? Not a single one. They'll be laughing at us and in charge of our senior care! If they let us live, that is.
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Old 01-25-2010, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Slig is not effected by Illegal immigration.So he's going to let his kids or grandkids wake-up to this.
Illegals are not a "result" of a bad system, they're part of it. And the blame should be spread equally and accordingly.
A good percentage of illegals violate laws in order to dodge another one they violated.
Your not effected by it , so your really don't know what it's like.

My step son was killed in Ca,out front of my place by a hit-n-run Illegal from El Salvador. He got a slap on the hand and was deported for the 7th time. He was hired to drive a laundry Van "without" a license!
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Old 01-25-2010, 07:22 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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And who's gonna feel sorry for Americans once our country has been fully taken over? Not a single one. They'll be laughing at us and in charge of our senior care! If they let us live, that is.
Actually; with the hardening attitudes towards illegal aliens, I am not that worried. The country that needs to fear for its future is Mexico due to the growing drug war there.
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Old 01-25-2010, 11:53 PM
 
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If you ever saw the movie you'd know what I mean, trust me.



Why, because she was working in Los Angeles so she could send money back home and put food on her son's table and put him through school? How is that pathetic?
Sure, money is more important than staying home raising your kids. It's greed that makes these parents abandon their own children, the love of money. It's not good at all.
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Old 01-25-2010, 11:56 PM
 
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I agree on basing legal immigration on needs and not allowing anybody with a criminal record or with highly transmittable diseases to enter, etc., but also I think the US gov't is too strict when it comes to legal immigration for family members. If we apply for my wife's sister and husband to come visit us I don't feel they should reject their visa application on account that they aren't financially wealthy and Homeland Security finds them at risk for overstaying their visa...that's total crap in my opinion.
The problem is -- there are millions of people who are overstaying visas, the moment they get a visitor visa, they come and never intend to go back home. They are the ones you should blame for that situation.
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Old 01-26-2010, 12:38 AM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Actually; with the hardening attitudes towards illegal aliens, I am not that worried. The country that needs to fear for its future is Mexico due to the growing drug war there.
Can you say huge drug war going on there, that is one place, you don't want to get pulled over by there policio, we would not be treated with welcome arms. Your right People's attitudes towards illegal's have been channging. There is much blame to go on with this situation, we don't help the manner much, the U.S. that is.
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Old 01-26-2010, 02:05 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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It's "La Misma Luna." Not "La Misma La Luna." The parent should bone up on his/her Spanish before writing an article about it.

It's a good movie by the way, and the little boy portrayed in the movie is far from "pathetic" in my opinion. The kid traveled thousands of miles to find his mother, give him a break!

My reaction to this is yeah, there are many other far less controversial Spanish films that could have been shown in the class. However, at the same time I'm thinking to myself THANK GOD the teacher didn't show the movie "La Mala Educación."

maybe if the mother would not have crossed the border illegally and is now a criminal, the boy could have found her alot sooner if she was in her home country instead of hiding out in the USA.
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