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Old 01-26-2010, 07:22 PM
 
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It makes little sense to have an army if they won't do their job.

 
Old 01-26-2010, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Texas
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It makes little sense to have an army if they won't do their job.
This is the same conclusion I have drawn, it's getting to be rediculous.
 
Old 01-26-2010, 07:51 PM
 
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It makes little sense to have an army if they won't do their job.
Evidently our government thinks that it isn't their job to guard our own borders.
 
Old 01-26-2010, 08:00 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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It makes little sense to have an army if they won't do their job.
It is coming................

Suffice to say: if I were in the USA illegally............I would be making plans to leave soon.
 
Old 01-26-2010, 08:02 PM
 
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Purpose of an army:
Title 10, United States Code, Section 3062:

(a) It is the intent of Congress to provide an Army that is
capable, in conjunction with the other armed forces, of -
(1) preserving the peace and security, and providing for the
defense, of the United States, the Commonwealths and possessions,
and any areas occupied by the United States;
(2) supporting the national policies;
(3) implementing the national objectives; and
(4) overcoming any nations responsible for aggressive acts that
imperil the peace and security of the United States.

Purpose of a Border Patrol:
The main purpose of the U.S. Border Patrol is to prevent and detect the entry of illegal immigrants.


There is your answer.
 
Old 01-26-2010, 09:39 PM
 
Location: central Oregon
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Originally Posted by expect View Post
Purpose of an army:
Title 10, United States Code, Section 3062:

(a) It is the intent of Congress to provide an Army that is
capable, in conjunction with the other armed forces, of -
(1) preserving the peace and security, and providing for the
defense, of the United States, the Commonwealths and possessions,
and any areas occupied by the United States;
(2) supporting the national policies;
(3) implementing the national objectives; and
(4) overcoming any nations responsible for aggressive acts that
imperil the peace and security of the United States.

Purpose of a Border Patrol:
The main purpose of the U.S. Border Patrol is to prevent and detect the entry of illegal immigrants.


There is your answer.
(a) The Army and other armed forced SHOULD be stationed on our borders:
(1) Peace and security in our own country has fallen thanks to open borders that allow anyone from anywhere to walk right in.
(2) What we are doing now is NOT working, something must change.
(3) Our main objective is to rid the US of unwanted people who are living here illegally.
(4) Illegals from everywhere are invading our country. Invasion is an act of aggression and should be dealt with in order to restore the peace and security to the people of the United States.
(i) Because the percentage of illegals are from south of our border, these borders should be heavily fortified with military presence.

The Border Patrol can do little to prevent illegal crossing because they have insufficient tools to combat the day by day invasion.
 
Old 01-26-2010, 09:44 PM
 
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This is like asking if there is a god or not....lol...noone can answer lol. But yes something needs to be done, i can handle a good handful but ish is getting ridiculous!
 
Old 01-26-2010, 09:55 PM
 
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It makes little sense to have an army if they won't do their job.

The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. 1385) passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction, with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (today the Army, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order" on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.

The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Act during peacetime.

20 Stat. L., 145

June 18, 1878

CHAP. 263 - An act making appropriations for the support of the Army for the fiscal year ending June thirtieth, eighteen hundred and seventy-nine, and for other purposes.

SEC. 15. From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress; and no money appropriated by this act shall be used to pay any of the expenses incurred in the employment of any troops in violation of this section And any person willfully violating the provisions of this section shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction thereof shall be punished by fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars or imprisonment not exceeding two years or by both such fine and imprisonment.

10 U.S.C. (United States Code) 375

Sec. 375. Restriction on direct participation by military personnel:

The Secretary of Defense shall prescribe such regulations as may be necessary to ensure that any activity (including the provision of any equipment or facility or the assignment or detail of any personnel) under this chapter does not include or permit direct participation by a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity unless participation in such activity by such member is otherwise authorized by law.

18 U.S.C. 1385

Sec. 1385. Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus

Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of
Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to
execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

Editor's Note: The only exemption has to do with nuclear materials (18 U.S.C. 831 (e)
 
Old 01-26-2010, 10:11 PM
 
Location: California
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Originally Posted by Rico from East Los View Post
The Posse Comitatus Act is a United States federal law (18 U.S.C. 1385) passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction, with the intention (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) of substantially limiting the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement. The Act prohibits most members of the federal uniformed services (today the Army, Air Force, and State National Guard forces when such are called into federal service) from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order" on non-federal property (states and their counties and municipal divisions) within the United States.

The statute generally prohibits federal military personnel and units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress. The Coast Guard is exempt from the Act during peacetime.

20 Stat. L., 145

June 18, 1878

CHAP. 263 - An act making appropriations for the support of the Army for the fiscal year ending June thirtieth, eighteen hundred and seventy-nine, and for other purposes.

SEC. 15. From and after the passage of this act it shall not be lawful to employ any part of the Army of the United States, as a posse comitatus, or otherwise, for the purpose of executing the laws, except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress; and no money appropriated by this act shall be used to pay any of the expenses incurred in the employment of any troops in violation of this section And any person willfully violating the provisions of this section shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction thereof shall be punished by fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars or imprisonment not exceeding two years or by both such fine and imprisonment.

10 U.S.C. (United States Code) 375

Sec. 375. Restriction on direct participation by military personnel:

The Secretary of Defense shall prescribe such regulations as may be necessary to ensure that any activity (including the provision of any equipment or facility or the assignment or detail of any personnel) under this chapter does not include or permit direct participation by a member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps in a search, seizure, arrest, or other similar activity unless participation in such activity by such member is otherwise authorized by law.

18 U.S.C. 1385

Sec. 1385. Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus

Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of
Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to
execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

Editor's Note: The only exemption has to do with nuclear materials (18 U.S.C. 831 (e)


hmmmm.......seems there is a certain clause here....
 
Old 01-26-2010, 10:15 PM
 
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It makes little sense to have an army if they won't do their job.
That is not their job . The feds have a border patrol just for that. But I would agree if wedid that but then we need to fire alot of people whose job it is to protect our borders and that includes alot of ppolitcaina whooppoese it and refuse to dot heir jobs.
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