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Old 01-27-2010, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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How many heard Obama when he said:

"If you abide by the law, You should be protected by it."

I wish he'd gone further into detail on that.
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Old 01-28-2010, 12:38 AM
 
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I also wish he had elaborated on it but I understand it was not the right time. To me it sounds like he is not counting misdemeanors but we shall wait until the debate begins.

What I am hoping for is that those jobs that are being created are protected and only considered for Americans and legal residents.
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Old 01-28-2010, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Where i work everyone starts out on a probationary status. In that period of 6 months mistakes that might get anyone else a stern talking to results in new hire termination. Why? Because it is felt that at no point in your career should you be more driven, more compelled to follow the rules than when you are first hired.
As applied to immigrants. (Legal) I believe that the same should apply.
A DUI or multiple speeding tickets, shop lifting etc should result in loss of your VISA.
Illegals? Well in light of the fact that they couldn't be bothered obeying our immigration laws, they should forfiet any right to even apply for a VISA. Add to this the many other crimes they commit just to exist here? No way do they rate a second thought. They deserve no consideration what so ever.
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Old 01-28-2010, 06:11 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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How many heard Obama when he said:

"If you abide by the law, You should be protected by it."

I wish he'd gone further into detail on that.
Well, there goes 1/10 of our population and 100% of the Illegal Alien population.
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Old 01-28-2010, 08:51 AM
 
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I also wish he had elaborated on it but I understand it was not the right time. To me it sounds like he is not counting misdemeanors but we shall wait until the debate begins.

What I am hoping for is that those jobs that are being created are protected and only considered for Americans and legal residents.
What about felony crimes like felony document fraud, identification theft and the fraudulent use of stolen social security numbers, forgery and all that?

Yes simply crossing into the USA illegally is a misdemeanor, but the crimes begin to escalate when stolen documents are used.

I can see having different punishment -- those who simply crossed the border illegally, grabbed a rake or shovel and work for a little cash are one level, but those who have dealt with organized crime rings supplying them the stolen documents or otherwise obtain them are committing felony crimes and must be deported and barred from reentry.
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Old 01-28-2010, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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How many heard Obama when he said:

"If you abide by the law, You should be protected by it."

I wish he'd gone further into detail on that.
Since Maobama is a desciple of Saul Alinsky, who wrote Rules for Radicals, and even taught workshops on Alinsky's methods, one must take what Maobama says with a grain of salt. A desciple of Alinsky like Maobama must be using Alinsky's motto, "the most effective means are whatever will achieve the desired results." Maobama always gives a moderate speech or centrist speech and then always does the opposite, i.e. veer left. Since everything about Maobama is political, he's not about to tell the American sheeple that he's going to push for an extremely unpopular amnesty for illegal alien future democratic voters. In my opinion, though, he's telling members of La Racist and the Latino conference, as we speak, to just hang on until the political climate is a little better for an amnesty. And his statement should be interpreted as, 'All you illegal alien future democratic voters if amnestied, if after you illegally broke in, you haven't killed or raped anyone, we're going to put you on a pathway to become an amnestied illegal alien future democratic voter.

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Old 01-28-2010, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Since Maobama is a desciple of Saul Alinsky, who wrote rules for radicals, and even taught workshops on Alinsky's methods, one must take what Maobama says with a grain of salt. A desciple of Alinsky like Maobama must be using Alinsky's motto, "the most effective means are whatever will achieve the desired results." Maobama always gives a moderate speech or centrist speech and then always does the opposite, i.e. veer left. Since everything about Maobama is political, he's not about to tell the American sheeple that he's going to push for an extremely unpopular amnesty for illegal alien future democratic voters. In my opinion, though, he's telling members of La Racist and the Latino conference, as we speak, to just hang on until the political climate is a little better for an amnesty. And his statement should be interpreted as, 'All you illegal alien future democratic voters if amnestied, if after you illegally broke in, you haven't killed or raped anyone, we're going to put you on a pathway to become an amnestied illegal alien future democratic voter.
This sounds so much like Bush lite. Remember Bush pushed very hard for amnesty in the spring of 2006. Even worse, we could have elected Juan McCain in 2008 and got the same kind of talk from him and I don't think he has ever studied Alinsky.

I am sure there is a reason for McCain being a supporter of amnesty but it doesn't have anything to do with getting re-elected in Arizona. I am on McCain here because he wrote the bill that Bush pushed along with Teddy Kennedy. As I recall there were 44 Dems in the Senate back then and every one of them voted for that amnesty bill but there were also 33 Republicans that played the same game. Back then the House refused to even discuss the bill and it died but we all know what happens if it comes up today. Get ready for that expansion of Democrat voters provided by the Congress and their President.
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Old 01-28-2010, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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Does anyone know if there has always been a response to the president's state of the union speeches in the past?
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Old 01-28-2010, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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This sounds so much like Bush lite. Remember Bush pushed very hard for amnesty in the spring of 2006. Even worse, we could have elected Juan McCain in 2008 and got the same kind of talk from him and I don't think he has ever studied Alinsky.

I am sure there is a reason for McCain being a supporter of amnesty but it doesn't have anything to do with getting re-elected in Arizona. I am on McCain here because he wrote the bill that Bush pushed along with Teddy Kennedy. As I recall there were 44 Dems in the Senate back then and every one of them voted for that amnesty bill but there were also 33 Republicans that played the same game. Back then the House refused to even discuss the bill and it died but we all know what happens if it comes up today. Get ready for that expansion of Democrat voters provided by the Congress and their President.
Bush, McCain and Lindsey Graham represent the illegal alien chamber of commerce type republicans. Also, McCain and Graham want to get a piece, however small, of the hispanic vote. McCain represents corporate America which allows McCain to dangle amnesty at illegal aliens for a few votes knowing that corporate America would never actually allow amnesty to happen.
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Old 01-28-2010, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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This sounds so much like Bush lite. Remember Bush pushed very hard for amnesty in the spring of 2006. Even worse, we could have elected Juan McCain in 2008 and got the same kind of talk from him and I don't think he has ever studied Alinsky.

I am sure there is a reason for McCain being a supporter of amnesty but it doesn't have anything to do with getting re-elected in Arizona. I am on McCain here because he wrote the bill that Bush pushed along with Teddy Kennedy. As I recall there were 44 Dems in the Senate back then and every one of them voted for that amnesty bill but there were also 33 Republicans that played the same game. Back then the House refused to even discuss the bill and it died but we all know what happens if it comes up today. Get ready for that expansion of Democrat voters provided by the Congress and their President.
Unlikely to happen in this vicious recession. If anything; precedent has already been set by Operation Wet back* 56 years ago concerning the deportation of illegal aliens.

*technically an ethnic slur against (usually Spanish speaking Mestizo) illegal aliens but, that was the official name of the deportation program in question.
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