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Old 01-29-2010, 07:24 PM
 
Location: California
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Since I became involved in the anti-illegal alien fiasco back in 1998, there has been one glaring omission that I have noticed.

I have seen various attempts made to cut benefits to illegals.
I have seen many attempts to curtail border enforcement.
I have seen (almost non-stop) efforts to grant another amnesty for illegals.
I have seen efforts to have health care cover illegals.

But, one thing I have never seen (after all of these years) is a choice on an election ballot (nationwide) that allows the citizens to have a say on the subject.

So, for the "pros" and the "antis".......

Why have "the people" never been given the opportunity to vote on illegal immigration ?

BL

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Old 01-29-2010, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Its about power. Our elected Reps are well aware of the out come but fear a segment of the voters. They know that the hispanic vote matters and how a large percentage of them would not favor going after illegals..
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Old 01-29-2010, 07:34 PM
 
Location: California
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Its about power. Our elected Reps are well aware of the out come but fear a segment of the voters. They know that the hispanic vote matters and how a large percentage of them would not favor going after illegals..


Do we have any recourse? How can we force the issue ?

BL
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Old 01-29-2010, 08:07 PM
 
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Its about power. Our elected Reps are well aware of the out come but fear a segment of the voters. They know that the hispanic vote matters and how a large percentage of them would not favor going after illegals..
I think way too much importance is being put on the Hispanic vote. There are only about 40 million of them in this country, not all of them citizens and not all of them can or do vote. I think there is another agenda involved here and it is a combination of wanting the cheap labor, PC liberalism and recruiting future voters who most likely will be Democrats.
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Old 01-29-2010, 08:11 PM
 
Location: ...at a 3AM epiphany
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We're being given the vote by voting out of office those not taking this issue seriously. But I get your point.
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Old 01-29-2010, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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Since I became involved in the anti-illegal alien fiasco back in 1998, there has been one glaring omission that I have noticed.

I have seen various attempts made to cut benefits to illegals.
I have seen many attempts to curtail border enforcement.
I have seen (almost non-stop) efforts to grant another amnesty for illegals.
I have seen efforts to have health care cover illegals.

But, one thing I have never seen (after all of these years) is a choice on an election ballot (nationwide) that allows the citizens to have a say on the subject.

So, for the "pros" and the "antis".......

Why have "the people" never been given the opportunity to vote on illegal immigration ?

BL
That's not the nature of our government. We don't ask the entire citizenry to vote on each issue individually. To do so would be time consuming, financially expensive, and cumbersome. We operate as a democratic republic. We elect our representatives, who then vote on the issues as they come up, hopefully voting as the people they represent would prefer, but with no obligation to do so.
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Old 01-29-2010, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I think way too much importance is being put on the Hispanic vote. There are only about 40 million of them in this country, not all of them citizens and not all of them can or do vote. I think there is another agenda involved here and it is a combination of wanting the cheap labor, PC liberalism and recruiting future voters who most likely will be Democrats.
And quite a few Republicans crave their 'slave labor' as well------------never mind that such people are traitors.
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Old 01-29-2010, 08:44 PM
 
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We have a representaive form of governamnt. The epopel decide who is thier voices.When they want just like the last tiem amnesty bill came up the people ahve the cahnce to have theiur voices heard loud and clear . They did just that and it was soundly defeated.Considering the cost of a national or even a sate elction it would be very expensive to put things to a vote verytime something comes up and very inefficent to even educate many o what they are voting on.
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Old 01-29-2010, 08:47 PM
 
Location: California
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That's not the nature of our government. We don't ask the entire citizenry to vote on each issue individually. To do so would be time consuming, financially expensive, and cumbersome. We operate as a democratic republic. We elect our representatives, who then vote on the issues as they come up, hopefully voting as the people they represent would prefer, but with no obligation to do so.

I understand Your point, but this issue has been around for so many years that it seems to me that it would/should have been presented to the American People for their input.

jmo


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Old 01-29-2010, 08:54 PM
 
Location: California
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We have a representaive form of governamnt. The epopel decide who is thier voices.When they want just like the last tiem amnesty bill came up the people ahve the cahnce to have theiur voices heard loud and clear . They did just that and it was soundly defeated.Considering the cost of a national or even a sate elction it would be very expensive to put things to a vote verytime something comes up and very inefficent to even educate many o what they are voting on.


Were the people given the opportunity to vote?
And, considering that this issue has been around for at least 20 years, the choice for choosing a yes/no could have been added to any election year ballot with minimal additional cost.
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