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Old 02-04-2010, 11:11 AM
 
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Reread the post. Benicar said 'some' are violent criminals. However, a person willing to break one law, is more likely to break others.
That's not true at all. People speed all the time on the freeway, that doesn't mean that they are more likely to commit other crimes. Slippery slope arguments aren't good arguments.

 
Old 02-04-2010, 11:12 AM
 
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The laws are fine. They simply need to be enforced. Included in this group to be ďleft aloneĒ are countless violent criminals and other miscreants. How should they be dealt with?
The laws, obviously, aren't fine. It doesn't reflect the true market of employees and employers (which is the crux of the debate).
 
Old 02-04-2010, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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That's not true at all. People speed all the time on the freeway, that doesn't mean that they are more likely to commit other crimes. Slippery slope arguments aren't good arguments.
True. However, people willing to commit ID theft and fraud, will also be more inclined to commit other crimes. Itís indicative of a lack of morals. Speeding is not a gateway to serious crimes. It is also not a felony, unless one is evading the police.
 
Old 02-04-2010, 11:35 AM
 
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True. However, people willing to commit ID theft and fraud, will also be more inclined to commit other crimes. Itís indicative of a lack of morals. Speeding is not a gateway to serious crimes. It is also not a felony, unless one is evading the police.
No they aren't more likely. There is no such thing as "gateway crimes". Just like there is no such thing as a "gateway drug".
 
Old 02-04-2010, 11:37 AM
 
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The laws, obviously, aren't fine. It doesn't reflect the true market of employees and employers (which is the crux of the debate).
The only thing it doesnít reflect is the greed of corporations who prefer cheap illegal labor. Our laws should not be designed to serve the needs of unscrupulous employers, corrupt third-world countries, or their fleeing underclass. If welcoming more legal immigrants than all other countries combined is not enough, then thatís too bad.
 
Old 02-04-2010, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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No they aren't more likely. There is no such thing as "gateway crimes". Just like there is no such thing as a "gateway drug".
Many criminologists and law enforcement agents would beg to differ. There is a high correlation between juvenile delinquency and adult criminality. I didnít mention gateway drugs, so I wonít elaborate.
 
Old 02-04-2010, 11:41 AM
 
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The only thing it doesnít reflect is the greed of corporations who prefer cheap illegal labor. Our laws should not be designed to serve the needs of unscrupulous employers, corrupt third-world countries, or their fleeing underclass. If welcoming more legal immigrants than all other countries combined is not enough, then thatís too bad.

Wow, you just managed to not take into consideration the second largest variable...congrats!
 
Old 02-04-2010, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Again please read above post...But I will say this- I prefaced my opinion with "Some People".

I dont know if "Some People" are law bididng Americans. If you are saying you are, I will accept that.

Since I dont live with Haters, I cant really speak on how "Law Abiding" they are. And frankly, wether Haters can be law biding citizen wasnt my point.
Who here on this Forum is using the word 'hate' to describe their feelings towards illegal aliens?
 
Old 02-04-2010, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Wow, you just managed to not take into consideration the second largest variable...congrats!
Variable smariable, itís all irrelevant. We have laws, and they need to be enforced. We do not need to change our laws to accommodate criminals.
 
Old 02-04-2010, 11:48 AM
 
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Many criminologists and law enforcement agents would beg to differ. There is a high correlation between juvenile delinquency and adult criminality. I didnít mention gateway drugs, so I wonít elaborate.
No, since you can go as far back as mother's milk. There is no such thing as gateway anything.
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