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Old 07-05-2010, 06:57 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Originally Posted by chicagonut View Post
What is wrong is that the Hispanic population is growing in this country directly due to illegal immigration. That is not natural nor acceptable and is against the law.

Those other immigrant nationalities you mentioned came here legally and made it on their own and we didn't have 300 million people in our country at that time either. We still had lots of land and resources, not so today. No you cannot!!!
These folk are code words...

not one of these points is provable, but you will hear thses claims over and over till some will believe as fact.

chicagonut has tried to capture what is right and natural...

The hispanic population in the US is growing, that is fact, and illegal immigration is a source but to claim it "directly due" to undocumented aliens here is not fact and chinut has no way to prove that.

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That is not natural nor acceptable and is against the law
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what is not natural...illegal immigration or the increase in the Hispanic population?

where is the data that this country cant withstand 350 million people?
regardless if immigrants were here or not, America is going to hit 350 million people, are you saying that cant happen...400 million americans, 500 million amricans?

or just not 300 americans and 15 million aliens?

what proof do you have America can withstand 400 million americans?

 
Old 07-05-2010, 07:32 PM
 
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Originally Posted by 1751texan View Post
These folk are code words...

not one of these points is provable, but you will hear thses claims over and over till some will believe as fact.

chicagonut has tried to capture what is right and natural...

The hispanic population in the US is growing, that is fact, and illegal immigration is a source but to claim it "directly due" to undocumented aliens here is not fact and chinut has no way to prove that.

[quote

what is not natural...illegal immigration or the increase in the Hispanic population?

where is the data that this country cant withstand 350 million people?
regardless if immigrants were here or not, America is going to hit 350 million people, are you saying that cant happen...400 million americans, 500 million amricans?

or just not 300 americans and 15 million aliens?

what proof do you have America can withstand 400 million americans?
Try common sense about the true carrying capacity of this country just for starters. The more consumers of natural resources there are the less there will be. The more people there are the less ariable land space there is. The more people there are the higher demands for healthcare practioners and facilities, more teachers, more schools, more roads, more traffic, competition for jobs. More people equals less of everything for everyone and will lead to a high poverty rate. Try susps.org for starters. Try the gumball video. The link has been posted in here before.

Since there are 40 millions Hispanics in this country and probably closer to 20 million illegals in that figure that are mostly Hispanics what are the odds that most of this growth is from illegal Hispanics? Again, common sense and math come into play. Parkland Hospital in Dallas alone most births are attributed to illegal alien mothers.

You cannot deny unless you are totally clueless that this country can sustain that kind of growth for very long and not suffer in everyway.

Mexico, where most illegals are from has a lot of natural resources. Why are we crowding their citizens into OUR country and depleting ours instead? You seem to be ok with that from your posts. I cannot for the life of me figure out why any loyal, law abiding American would be ok with that.
 
Old 07-06-2010, 06:57 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Tuco View Post
So what if the Hispanic population in the US is rising. The Italian American population soared in the early 1900's, the German population in the late 1800's, the Irish population in the late 1800's. Nothing wrong with Latino population rising. Si se puede!!
most of that italien irish etc
came here legaly
our anger is agains ilegal aliens
hispanic or no
they need to leave tha usa
or be kicked out
 
Old 07-06-2010, 06:59 AM
 
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Yet to hear some Hispanics or Latinos talk you'd think they were well on their way to taking over. I guess they flunked math. However, if illegal immigration from that ethnic group is not stopped that goal could become a reality in the next 100 years.
yep
we may have mor hispanic ppl here
lokkin at mexico
its dying because of tha drug war stuff
no mor mexico or spanish lingo
well own it
 
Old 07-06-2010, 04:20 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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i love how people consider coming on a boat, as coming legally.
the system under which the italians and other europeans came thru is esentially an open border system. all you had to do was:
show up(as long as you werent chinese).
undergo a crusory physical check up.
be detained for 2 weeks max if you posed a health risk.
possibly change your name [giving up/hiding your past].
and walk about the US freely.
volia!

its the same old song.

lets be glad we dont have the same system as before. and by percentage we had way more immigrants then than we do now.
 
Old 07-06-2010, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by the one View Post
i love how people consider coming on a boat, as coming legally.
the system under which the italians and other europeans came thru is esentially an open border system. all you had to do was:
show up(as long as you werent chinese).
undergo a crusory physical check up.
be detained for 2 weeks max if you posed a health risk.
possibly change your name [giving up/hiding your past].
and walk about the US freely.
volia!

its the same old song.

lets be glad we dont have the same system as before. and by percentage we had way more immigrants then than we do now.
They came according to the procedures of that era. So, yes, those who entered through Ellis Island entered legally. Today, we have specific laws that dictate how foreigners may enter our country, and they are expected to comply.
 
Old 07-06-2010, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Southwest Michigan/Miami Beach Miami
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Originally Posted by RobertJackson1980 View Post
yep
we may have mor hispanic ppl here
lokkin at mexico
its dying because of tha drug war stuff
no mor mexico or spanish lingo
well own it
What is wrong with your English?
 
Old 07-07-2010, 01:45 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Originally Posted by chicagonut View Post
Try common sense about the true carrying capacity of this country just for starters. The more consumers of natural resources there are the less there will be. The more people there are the less ariable land space there is. The more people there are the higher demands for healthcare practioners and facilities, more teachers, more schools, more roads, more traffic, competition for jobs.

1) More people equals less of everything for everyone and will lead to a high poverty rate.

2) Try susps.org for starters. Try the gumball video. The link has been posted in here before.

Since there are 40 millions Hispanics in this country and probably closer to 20 million illegals in that figure that are mostly Hispanics what are the odds that most of this growth is from illegal Hispanics? Again, common sense and math come into play. Parkland Hospital in Dallas alone most births are attributed to illegal alien mothers.

You cannot deny unless you are totally clueless that this country can sustain that kind of growth for very long and not suffer in everyway.

Mexico, where most illegals are from has a lot of natural resources. Why are we crowding their citizens into OUR country and depleting ours instead? You seem to be ok with that from your posts. I cannot for the life of me figure out why any loyal, law abiding American would be ok with that.
1) Historically speaking periods with high RATES of immigration have coincided with periods of great economic prosperity. The 1990's being the most recent example. The lovely 1930's being a period of deportation/low immigration and INCREASING poverty.

2) So can we assume you are a card carrying member of the Sierra Club? You agree with their entire environmental platform or just the part that suits you anti-illegal immigrant bashing stance?

Let's see the US population has been INCREASING over the last 25 years yet the SMOG levels in many of America's big cities (like Los Angeles) has actually IMPROVED.
 
Old 07-07-2010, 02:06 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Originally Posted by chicagonut View Post
Does anyone really believe that much of this is due to "legal" immigration by Hispanics? If so, I have a lake to sell you out in the Sahara Desert.


(CBS/AP) Hispanics accounted for half the 2.9 million U.S. population growth from 2003 to 2004 and now constitute one-seventh of all people in the United States.

A Census Bureau report issued Thursday said that trend probably will continue because of immigration and a Hispanic birth rate outstripping non-Hispanic blacks and whites.

The agency estimated there are 41.3 million Hispanics in the U.S. The bureau does not ask about legal status so its numbers are intended to include everyone.

The population growth for Asians ran a close second. Increases in both groups are due LARGELY TO IMMIGRATION, but also higher birth rates, said Lewis W. Goodman, an American University expert on U.S.-Latin American relations.

www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/09/national/main700582.shtml

I nearly died laughing when I read your post.

The following quote is from the "expert" quoted in the article you posted which says that without immigration,

"We would be moving into a situtation like Japan and Europe...where populations are graying in a way that is alarming and endangering even their social secutiry systems." Lewis Goodman

Yeah, I know you'll say you are only againt those darn pesky illegals. Can you at least tell us if you agree with the above quote from Mr. Goodman. IMMIGRATION (at least the LEGAL kind) is GOOD for the UNITED STATES. Do you agree or not?
 
Old 07-07-2010, 02:21 AM
 
Location: Tower of Heaven
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The hispanic growth comes from natural increase now.
And legal immigration is strong you know, in 2009 the US accepted :
165,000 from Mexico
49,000 from Dominican Republic
39,000 from Cuba
28,000 from Colombia
...etc...
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