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Old 02-05-2010, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Where and what are these jobs you are talking about? Today's stats show another job loss of 20,000. Unemployment is also down as people are no longer qualifying. If they don't qualify, can't get a job of any kind then what are they doing to survive? I bet they would take any job no matter now nasty before starving or homelessness.

I sure would like to see some evidence of these jobs you keep talking about.
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More BS propaganda from the illegal alien apologists. For the very few jobs that can't be filled by an American we can use legal immigrants. With our high unemployment rate you'd be hard pressed to find any job that an American won't do.
Thank you.
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Old 02-05-2010, 09:14 AM
 
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Never in US history have we seen people so desperate they are trying to come up the W Coast illegally by boat(in such numbers). Our border fence is starting to do it's job. I've also seen quite a few sob story websites about the plight of the poor Illegal Alien journeys shut down before they can make it across.
During the gold rush, there were large numbers of Chinese immigrants coming to W Coast. This led to the Exlusion Act of 1882. There were MANY illegal immigrants coming during this dark period in American history.

Not to mention early in our state's history large numbers of people became illegal simply due to the gov't change.

We have had relatively large numbers of illegal residents in the past. We have seen exclusion did not work. We've seen deportation doesn't work. So AZBear, please historically demonstrate how borders will be tightened up and relate with the current context of our cultural and technological advances that have been made in the past 10-20 years.
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Old 02-05-2010, 11:59 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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During the gold rush, there were large numbers of Chinese immigrants coming to W Coast. This led to the Exlusion Act of 1882. There were MANY illegal immigrants coming during this dark period in American history.

Not to mention early in our state's history large numbers of people became illegal simply due to the gov't change.

We have had relatively large numbers of illegal residents in the past. We have seen exclusion did not work. We've seen deportation doesn't work. So AZBear, please historically demonstrate how borders will be tightened up and relate with the current context of our cultural and technological advances that have been made in the past 10-20 years.

Deportation does work. Why would we still be doing it to the tune of 1 million a year if it didn't? It's not fool proof but it beats an extra 1 million Illegals tapping out our resources annually.
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Old 02-05-2010, 12:09 PM
 
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Deportation does work. Why would we still be doing it to the tune of 1 million a year if it didn't? It's not fool proof but it beats an extra 1 million Illegals tapping out our resources annually.
The majority of the 300,000 deported each year are usually non-violent criminals who have served out their sentence. The average cost of deportation is tens of thousands of dollars per person. Many are deported multiple times...thus raising the cost. Not to mention local economies suffer during mass deportations. So yeah, deportation doesn't work.
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Old 02-05-2010, 05:32 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The majority of the 300,000 deported each year are usually non-violent criminals who have served out their sentence. The average cost of deportation is tens of thousands of dollars per person. Many are deported multiple times...thus raising the cost. Not to mention local economies suffer during mass deportations. So yeah, deportation doesn't work.
You are ok with a million extra Illegals coming here every year? That is not a pretty picture.

Who is going to pay for them? There aren't jobs for 1 million poor a year. Not even close. We don't have jobs for the population we have now.
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Old 02-06-2010, 01:15 PM
 
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You are ok with a million extra Illegals coming here every year? That is not a pretty picture.

Who is going to pay for them? There aren't jobs for 1 million poor a year. Not even close. We don't have jobs for the population we have now.
Do you even know the demographic of the population you are talking about? The "Average" illegal immigrant is lower middle class (making an average income of over 45k...data from 2008 Pew Hispanic, I posted the link in previous threads, I can dig it up again). The vast majority are not on welfare. A good percentage do have health insurance (mostly employer sponsored). Educational attainment is below the norm, but consistent with those working the industries heavily concentrated with illegal immigrants. So, yes, they are poorer than average...but above the poverty level on average.

We don't have the funds to supplement the loss of tax revenue in communities that have a high concentration of illegal immigrants. We don't have the funds to make deportation a viable solution. The infrastructure to ensure that said people will not cross again is simply not there. We don't have the ability to prop up industries that may lose 20% of their workers.
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Old 02-06-2010, 01:16 PM
 
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BTW, it's not 1 million it's 300,000. With a HIGH percentage crossing back again.
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Old 02-06-2010, 08:46 PM
 
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The majority of the 300,000 deported each year are usually non-violent criminals who have served out their sentence. The average cost of deportation is tens of thousands of dollars per person. Many are deported multiple times...thus raising the cost. Not to mention local economies suffer during mass deportations. So yeah, deportation doesn't work.
It would not cost much to deport them if we wanted to. I would get several old school buses and weld the windows shut and then drive around to the work sites and check IDS.Those with no ID would then stop what they were doing and get in the bus. The bus would then drive STRAIGHT BACK to mexico and let them out. Dont worry we would have some sandwitchs and water for them to eat on their ride back. No problem and we would even let them use their cell phones on the way back to tell their friends and familys that they wont be showin up for supper .
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Old 02-06-2010, 09:35 PM
 
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It would not cost much to deport them if we wanted to. I would get several old school buses and weld the windows shut and then drive around to the work sites and check IDS.Those with no ID would then stop what they were doing and get in the bus. The bus would then drive STRAIGHT BACK to mexico and let them out. Dont worry we would have some sandwitchs and water for them to eat on their ride back. No problem and we would even let them use their cell phones on the way back to tell their friends and familys that they wont be showin up for supper .
So we wouldn't pay for the school buses, the fuel for the buses, the drivers, the people to find the illegal immigrants, the administrative staff to support the other people, the legal staff, the cost of the food, the cost of housing illegal immigrants in jails while the buses are getting ready to depart, the repair of old school buses, the welders to outfit the bus...
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Old 02-06-2010, 09:38 PM
 
Location: southern california
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when a country breaks its own laws by refusing to enforce them it affects one's neighbors.
america start enforcing immigration.
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