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Old 02-05-2010, 02:53 PM
 
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Thanks for posting this excellent link. I found the folowing paragraph exceptionally informative:

Policing the border, enforcing the ban on hiring illegal aliens, denying temporary visas to those likely to remain permanently, and all the other things necessary to reduce illegal immigration will take time and cost money. However, since the cost of illegal immigration to the federal government alone is estimated at over $10 billion a year, 1. significant resources could be devoted to enforcement efforts and still leave taxpayers with significant net savings. Enforcement not only has the advantage of reducing the costs of illegal immigration, 2. it also is very popular with the general public. Nonetheless, policymakers can expect strong opposition from special interest groups, especially ethnic advocacy groups and those elements of the business community that do not want to invest in labor-saving devices and techniques or pay better salaries, but instead want access to large numbers of cheap, unskilled workers. 3. If we choose to continue to not enforce the law or to grant illegals amnesty, both the public and policymakers have to understand that there will be significant long-term costs for taxpayers.
1. ICE estimated the costs to being roughly $100 billion to singularly deport every illegal immigrant in this nation. Seeing how illegal immigrants comprise a significant percentage of certain industries (construction, agriculture, and textile to name a few) it is almost certain the economic impact would be great, esp. on already ailing industries such as construction. It is estimated that $90 billion is collected in an 8 year period of time (in federal taxes alone). Many lower income communities stand to lose a significant amount of money simply due to loss of sales tax revenue. Though there is a net burden for the average middle income American, the poor stand to actually lose. The effect on these communities could be devestating. Another Postville, Iowa (high uneployment, increased reliance on social services, and a lowering of wages) could occur.

Not to mention that the children of illegal immigrants typically do better educationally and economically thus, we would lose on that source of revenue as well.

2. So was the war in Iraq when it was initially proposed. So was President Bush immediately following 9/11. Popularity doesn't always equate to good policy.

3. Also, if we decide to institute policies that would be too draconian and reflect the situation. Illegal immigration is here to stay. It is our responsible to find means to accomodate this market in order to decrease illegal immigration while benefiting our nation.
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Old 02-05-2010, 03:14 PM
 
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self deportation doesn't cost anything. don't give them shelter, jobs, or food and they will go back to their own countries voluntarily. it is OUTRAGEOUS that we are supposed to feed, shelter, house, and pay for lawyers for these people. nothing shows liberal hypocrisy like obama saddling the taxpayers with his illegal immigrant aunt.

GTFO! if these people don't go, i can assure you that the politicians will go.
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Old 02-05-2010, 03:24 PM
 
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Under immagration law she is allowed to contest the decission.
using taxpayer money, evidently.....

too bad obama is broke and can't help her out.....
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Old 02-05-2010, 04:00 PM
 
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self deportation doesn't cost anything. don't give them shelter, jobs, or food and they will go back to their own countries voluntarily. it is OUTRAGEOUS that we are supposed to feed, shelter, house, and pay for lawyers for these people. nothing shows liberal hypocrisy like obama saddling the taxpayers with his illegal immigrant aunt.

Doesn't occur though since the conditions would still be better here. Not to mention there will always be a market for those people to work here.

GTFO! if these people don't go, i can assure you that the politicians will go.

Again, it's not quite as simple and blunt as you present the arguments to be.
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Old 02-05-2010, 04:05 PM
 
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You're quite welcome, but the real thanks should go to that1guy since he steered me there in the first place..
It's funny that you haven't remarked on the original premise and have not refuted other claims.
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Old 02-05-2010, 04:20 PM
 
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1. ICE estimated the costs to being roughly $100 billion to singularly deport every illegal immigrant in this nation. Seeing how illegal immigrants comprise a significant percentage of certain industries (construction, agriculture, and textile to name a few) it is almost certain the economic impact would be great, esp. on already ailing industries such as construction. It is estimated that $90 billion is collected in an 8 year period of time (in federal taxes alone). Many lower income communities stand to lose a significant amount of money simply due to loss of sales tax revenue. Though there is a net burden for the average middle income American, the poor stand to actually lose. The effect on these communities could be devestating. Another Postville, Iowa (high uneployment, increased reliance on social services, and a lowering of wages) could occur.

Not to mention that the children of illegal immigrants typically do better educationally and economically thus, we would lose on that source of revenue as well.
Good, after ten years we'll break even and from then on we no longer pay for the illegals. That's only if ALL are deported in the first year.
It's almost certain that Americans will take those jobs the illegals vacate. (Well, maybe not the crop picking, but we have legal means to get foreign workers for that.) Of course some communities will lose income because of the dearly departed illegals - stands to reason when a percent of your population is booted out.
However, we will all be better off when we rid our country of those who have no business being here in the first place.
No matter how much you might wish it were different, illegals are not needed in the United States.
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Old 02-05-2010, 04:25 PM
 
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Good, after ten years we'll break even and from then on we no longer pay for the illegals. That's only if ALL are deported in the first year.
It's almost certain that Americans will take those jobs the illegals vacate. (Well, maybe not the crop picking, but we have legal means to get foreign workers for that.) Of course some communities will lose income because of the dearly departed illegals - stands to reason when a percent of your population is booted out.
However, we will all be better off when we rid our country of those who have no business being here in the first place.
No matter how much you might wish it were different, illegals are not needed in the United States.
Sure, Social Service offices will have to start laying people off!
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Old 02-05-2010, 04:25 PM
 
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Good, after ten years we'll break even and from then on we no longer pay for the illegals. That's only if ALL are deported in the first year.
It's almost certain that Americans will take those jobs the illegals vacate. (Well, maybe not the crop picking, but we have legal means to get foreign workers for that.) Of course some communities will lose income because of the dearly departed illegals - stands to reason when a percent of your population is booted out.
However, we will all be better off when we rid our country of those who have no business being here in the first place.
No matter how much you might wish it were different, illegals are not needed in the United States.
Exactly! Short term loss (if that's what you want to call it) long term gain.
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Old 02-05-2010, 05:07 PM
 
Location: central Oregon
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Exactly! Short term loss (if that's what you want to call it) long term gain.
I do get tired of hearing the other side go on about the cost to deport all illegals. Of course it's outrageous, but if we get 'em all (not realistic, I know) in that first year it's well worth it.
An added benefit would be a lot of affordable housing would be available for low income Americans.
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Old 02-05-2010, 05:51 PM
 
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I do get tired of hearing the other side go on about the cost to deport all illegals. Of course it's outrageous, but if we get 'em all (not realistic, I know) in that first year it's well worth it.
An added benefit would be a lot of affordable housing would be available for low income Americans.
As has already been brought up, it costs nothing for them to self-deport. Anyone who thinks that the majority wouldn't do so with e-verify in place isn't deaing in reality or it is just wishful thinking on their part. We can deal with a small black market of illegals working under the table compared to the majority of them remaining here and taking American jobs and sucking our taxes and resources dry. Let's see, even if only half of them would self-deport, that would decrease our illegal alien population by half, would it not? The choice seems pretty clear to me.

As for those vacated jobs with a 10% plus unemployment rate I don't see an issue of them not being filled by Americans and for those that would not we can import LEGAL immigrants to fill them.
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