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Old 02-11-2010, 09:23 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Originally Posted by malamute View Post
Also - if tens of millions of illegals were so positive monetarily, wouldn't you think their country of origin would try to get them back? Yet over and over we see leaders like Vicente Fox try to insist that they will benefit *us* but they don't want them back.

News Flash...News Flash...Vicente Fox...No Longer President of Mexico...

Felipe Calderon is the new HMIC...News Flash....News Flash!

 
Old 02-11-2010, 09:30 AM
 
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News Flash...News Flash...Vicente Fox...No Longer President of Mexico...

Felipe Calderon is the new HMIC...News Flash....News Flash!
I realize that - and Calderon also isn't trying to bring his people back but he's not as silly when he talks about them.
 
Old 02-12-2010, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Metropolis
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1. Huge reduction in social service expense.
2. Less crowded everything.
3. Agricultural labor shortage
(Could be addressed with: - More mechanization
-Straightforward guestworker program with the need determination made annually by the department of labor
4. Modest crime reduction related to volume rather than incidence rate
5. A reduction in community stress levels related to the intensity of the debate and language clash issues
6. As illegals depart, the businesses who utilized them will bear an immeadiate economic hit. The illegals served as not only a cheaper more reliable and exploitable labor force. They nearly undercut the employment of adolescent aged Americans completely. A minor number of businesses will go under. The rest will operate in a more stressed manner, with a leaner (American) workforce. This workforce will be paid better.
7. Costs for goods and services of business which relied on illegal labor will go up modestly. They will moan/groan and blame these increased prices on the lack of adequate labor.
8. Stress on environment would be reduced
9. Productivity and automation would increase exponentially.
10. The 7 million or so newly vacated jobs would provide a net addition of about 2 million quality paying jobs and 3 million not so quality jobs teenagers could do. Businesses will just have to deal with the higher turnover prevelence when relying on teenagers and the poor.

IMO the end result with be a net positive for the country. There would be difficulties, but in the end we would end up better for it.

Last edited by UrbanQuest; 02-12-2010 at 08:54 PM..
 
Old 02-13-2010, 06:49 AM
 
Location: ...at a 3AM epiphany
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1. Huge reduction in social service expense.
2. Less crowded everything.
3. Agricultural labor shortage
(Could be addressed with: - More mechanization
-Straightforward guestworker program with the need determination made annually by the department of labor
4. Modest crime reduction related to volume rather than incidence rate
5. A reduction in community stress levels related to the intensity of the debate and language clash issues
6. As illegals depart, the businesses who utilized them will bear an immeadiate economic hit. The illegals served as not only a cheaper more reliable and exploitable labor force. They nearly undercut the employment of adolescent aged Americans completely. A minor number of businesses will go under. The rest will operate in a more stressed manner, with a leaner (American) workforce. This workforce will be paid better.
7. Costs for goods and services of business which relied on illegal labor will go up modestly. They will moan/groan and blame these increased prices on the lack of adequate labor.
8. Stress on environment would be reduced
9. Productivity and automation would increase exponentially.
10. The 7 million or so newly vacated jobs would provide a net addition of about 2 million quality paying jobs and 3 million not so quality jobs teenagers could do. Businesses will just have to deal with the higher turnover prevelence when relying on teenagers and the poor.

IMO the end result with be a net positive for the country. There would be difficulties, but in the end we would end up better for it.
THANK you! I appreciate your taking the time to break it down.
 
Old 02-13-2010, 09:41 AM
 
Location: ...at a 3AM epiphany
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I also found these:


1. Preservation of a long-established American heritage, culture, and language to facilitate commerce and communication, and provide a common bond among the population.
2. Elimination of traffic gridlock, car pool lanes, or tolls for local highway use.
3. No hospital closures from bankruptcy due to unpaid treatment for illegal aliens.
4. Substantial reduction in the threat of terrorist attacks against public and private establishments, i.e. schools, temples, churches, businesses and government buildings.
5. Stabilization of housing costs and the cessation of homeowner flight that has caused an irrational demand for non-stop new housing and strip mall construction.
6. Cessation of real estate developers devouring our forests, mountains and streams, as they pave over, and build upon, every square inch of American countryside.
7. Elimination of laws requiring the U.S. to support, school and raise the children of illegal aliens.
8. Substantially more after-tax take-home pay for the taxpaying consumer to spend on investment, education, leisure, travel, entertainment, child care, home improvement, etc.
9. Less demand for resources, resulting in lower utility bills and the preservation of natural resources.
10. Less pollution: cleaner air, streets, and waterways.
11. Significant drop in crime, especially violent offenses and identity fraud.
12. Significant decline in the costs of housing illegal alien criminals in prisons and those family members who choose to be close to them usually by subsidized housing.
13. Elimination of the thousands of undetected cases of communicable and deadly tuberculosis, leprosy, and hepatitis hosted by illegal aliens who have never been screened before entering the United States.
14. Decline in health, auto, and other insurance costs.
15. Better public schools, with smaller budget demands and fewer students per teacher. The literacy rate in Los Angeles is now at a historical low of an estimated 47%, a rate previously unheard of in a developed country.
16. Elimination of the 160,000+ illegal alien street gang members that is estimated currently residing in the U.S.
17. Drastic reductions of domestic unemployment rates.
18. A positive future for American youth.
19. Elimination of multi-billion dollar annual frauds against U.S. taxpayers.
20. Sharp reduction of neighborhood terrorism conducted by fearless street gangs.
21. Reduction in the lethal illegal drug importation businesses that have sprouted up in every community in the country.
22. Elimination of the slave labor trade that enables those who employ illegal aliens "off the books" to criminally evade federal and state employment taxes levied against law-abiding U.S. employers and employees.
23. Reduction or elimination of tuition charges for state colleges and universities, as surplus tax funds are directed to this benefit program for U.S. citizens.
24. More medical and quality of life support for disabled and elderly citizens.

Compared to the positive for corporations that hire illegal aiens get by lining their pockets.

I took somone's advice to look them up, they are there.
 
Old 02-13-2010, 09:55 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by UrbanQuest View Post
1. Huge reduction in social service expense.
2. Less crowded everything.
3. Agricultural labor shortage
(Could be addressed with: - More mechanization
-Straightforward guestworker program with the need determination made annually by the department of labor
4. Modest crime reduction related to volume rather than incidence rate
5. A reduction in community stress levels related to the intensity of the debate and language clash issues
6. As illegals depart, the businesses who utilized them will bear an immeadiate economic hit. The illegals served as not only a cheaper more reliable and exploitable labor force. They nearly undercut the employment of adolescent aged Americans completely. A minor number of businesses will go under. The rest will operate in a more stressed manner, with a leaner (American) workforce. This workforce will be paid better.
7. Costs for goods and services of business which relied on illegal labor will go up modestly. They will moan/groan and blame these increased prices on the lack of adequate labor.
8. Stress on environment would be reduced
9. Productivity and automation would increase exponentially.
10. The 7 million or so newly vacated jobs would provide a net addition of about 2 million quality paying jobs and 3 million not so quality jobs teenagers could do. Businesses will just have to deal with the higher turnover prevelence when relying on teenagers and the poor.

IMO the end result with be a net positive for the country. There would be difficulties, but in the end we would end up better for it.
Quite true, a potato digging machine comes to mind.
 
Old 02-18-2010, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I want to point out that because these immigrants are here illegally, that they are actually more likely not to commit any sort of crime because they don't want to get caught. They are cautious. So to say that there would be a significant drop in crime, especially violent crime, is ludicrous.
 
Old 02-18-2010, 09:57 PM
 
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I want to point out that because these immigrants are here illegally, that they are actually more likely not to commit any sort of crime because they don't want to get caught. They are cautious. So to say that there would be a significant drop in crime, especially violent crime, is ludicrous.
If that was the case, we wouldn't be hearing anything about all those illegals who DO commit crimes.

Come to think of it, simply by being here illegally they are COMMITTING A CRIME. They begin committing crimes the second they cross that border. EVERYTHING THEY DO IS A CRIME IN THIS COUNTRY.
 
Old 02-18-2010, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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If that was the case, we wouldn't be hearing anything about all those illegals who DO commit crimes.

Come to think of it, simply by being here illegally they are COMMITTING A CRIME. They begin committing crimes the second they cross that border. EVERYTHING THEY DO IS A CRIME IN THIS COUNTRY.
Let's start from the top:

Because they are illegal immigrants, they will be scrutinized, it's the opposite of what you said.

And you are playing semantics. You know the point I was getting at and and you are distorting it.

CAPS LOCKS IS NOT CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL, GIVE IT A BREAK.
 
Old 02-19-2010, 12:00 AM
 
Location: ...at a 3AM epiphany
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When will government realize that if they keep shrinking the middle class, there will no one left to pay for government?
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