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Old 02-19-2010, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Nonsense, field workers get paid at least minimum wage and are protected by the same labor standards as any other worker. If they are paid piece work they can make $20-30 an hour.

And they are doing work you would not stoop to do.
And to whom was that comment directed towards?

Trust me: quite a few unemployed Americans would 'stoop' to that sort of work if needed.

 
Old 02-19-2010, 06:47 PM
 
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Nonsense, field workers get paid at least minimum wage and are protected by the same labor standards as any other worker. If they are paid piece work they can make $20-30 an hour.

And they are doing work you would not stoop to do.



This canard is brought out by anti illegal immigration people, but it is not factual. The H-2A visa system does not work in agriculture. There is a time lag from the time the help is needed until it hits the field. The crops don't wait, and neither does the weather. If i need two dozen harvesters tomorrow because of the rain, or next week during the clearing before the next storm, I need them when I need them.

That is why the H2 system does not work. It has nothing, let me say that again, nothing to do with cheaper. Minimum wage is minimum wage, it makes no difference if the work is legal or not legal. If wages are above minimum it is because the skills needed pay more.

Ya'll need to deal with the real world.

Let me add this in, you can stew on it. Very few growers or farmers if any hire field workers or have employees who work stoop labor. See if you can figure out how that fits in with my first paragraph.
Got a link for your assertions? Legal immigrant farm workers are entitled to healthcare and a place to live provided by the farmers. That is just another reason that they hire illegals instead. They can save money by not following all the rules for legal immigrant help.
 
Old 02-19-2010, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Central Coast
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Legal immigrant farm workers are entitled to healthcare and a place to live provided by the farmers.
Nonsense, farmers do not hire legal or illegal farmworkers.

Growers( is the accurate term) do not provide healthcare or a place to live to farmworkers,

I don't need a link for my assertions, you do, find em.
 
Old 02-19-2010, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Central Coast
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Trust me: quite a few unemployed Americans would 'stoop' to that sort of work if needed.
More nonsense, there is currently a labor shortage in the fields, I sure don't see any white people in the fields. There are of course, Mexican Americans in the fields, but the white folk are not out there, and there is no law preventing them, now, is there?
 
Old 02-19-2010, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Central Coast
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What happens in this debate is that there are a lot of Americans who do not like illegal immigration, which is fine, no one has to like it, but it exists, and there is a lot about it that the anti folks are just sadly ignorant of, so they make stuff up.
 
Old 02-19-2010, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Nonsense, farmers do not hire legal or illegal farmworkers.

Growers( is the accurate term) do not provide healthcare or a place to live to farmworkers,

I don't need a link for my assertions, you do, find em.
The onus of proof is on you...........otherwise we do not believe your post.
 
Old 02-19-2010, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Central Coast
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Like I care. But heck, in what business have you ever heard of where employers are required to provide healthcare and a place to live? That sounds like socialism to me!
 
Old 02-19-2010, 08:15 PM
 
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American citizens have not worked in any numbers in the produce fields in 100 years, aside from the depths of the depression.
Deep South's farm-worker jobs vanish

Agriculture may seem relatively recession-proof -- relatively. After all, people have to eat. But economic trends have been re-shaping the ag industry, and many farm laborers are getting squeezed out. In the Deep South, low-income workers are at risk of sliding farther into poverty.



Deep South's farm-worker jobs vanish | Marketplace From American Public Media (http://marketplace.publicradio.org/display/web/2009/06/17/am_ag_jobs/ - broken link)
 
Old 02-19-2010, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Central Coast
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I know nothing of conditions in the south, I can only speak of western produce, fruits and grapes. Based on the article, it appears that the crop in question in cotton, harvested mechanically. The two men quoted that I saw were a mill worker, and a tractor driver. In the west, a tractor driver is an elevated position, better pay.

The labor in the west that is done by illegals is stoop labor, the actual weeding of the fields and the hand harvesting.
 
Old 02-19-2010, 09:08 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Nonsense, farmers do not hire legal or illegal farmworkers.

Growers( is the accurate term) do not provide healthcare or a place to live to farmworkers,

I don't need a link for my assertions, you do, find em.
Nope, sorry.

The rest of us post links and provide sources for the assertions we make on this forum.

If you wish to be taken seriously, so will you.

Otherwise, you're just another pro-illegal blowhard....all noise and no substance.
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