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Old 02-09-2010, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chicagonut View Post
Most Americans do not do that. Let's not stereotype law abiding Americas in with the greedy, immoral ones.
chicagoNUT, I didn't say ALL, but I can't get into 7-11 with all the cars in the way. Most don't, but MOST do.

 
Old 02-09-2010, 02:35 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Childfree35 View Post
chicagoNUT, I didn't say ALL, but I can't get into 7-11 with all the cars in the way. Most don't, but MOST do.
Ok, but you didn't make that clear in your initial post. There is no way that most don't but most do makes many sense either.
 
Old 02-09-2010, 02:43 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Slig View Post
I'm not at all suggesting that illegal immigrants are good and should stay here but I think it's amazing that people think we can just make them all suddenly leave and expect the country to be better off. The consequences on our already soft economy would be disastrous and any sensible economist would agree with me.
We would be better off in the long run and that is what I have often stated. There would be no disaster to our economy since millions of Americans are unemployed right now and would take those jobs that the illegals vacate. They in turn would be paying all kinds of taxes into our system and buying homes. We cannot continue on this road of uncontrolled population growth due to illegal immigration and I have a problem with amnesting 4 times the number we did in 1986 when we were promised that was the last one. We don't even know how many of these "immigrants" are actually needed here and I think it unfair to those waiting to do it the right way to remain here. It will just encourage a future bigger problem down the road. We just have to say that enough is enough right now and get back to being a nation of laws and demanding that our immigration laws be respected. Short term losses (if any) will turn into long term gains.
 
Old 02-09-2010, 02:49 PM
 
Location: ...at a 3AM epiphany
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chicagonut View Post
We would be better off in the long run and that is what I have often stated. There would be no disaster to our economy since millions of Americans are unemployed right now and would take those jobs that the illegals vacate. They in turn would be paying all kinds of taxes into our system and buying homes. We cannot continue on this road of uncontrolled population growth due to illegal immigration and I have a problem with amnesting 4 times the number we did in 1986 when we were promised that was the last one. We don't even know how many of these "immigrants" are actually needed here and I think it unfair to those waiting to do it the right way to remain here. It will just encourage a future bigger problem down the road. We just have to say that enough is enough right now and get back to being a nation of laws and demanding that our immigration laws be respected. Short term losses (if any) will turn into long term gains.
This is what I've been thinking...we're already here (in a devastation state) so let's rebuild the right way as well as stop the drain on our resources by getting rid of illegal aliens.
 
Old 02-09-2010, 03:40 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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Originally Posted by getout View Post
This is the point I am trying to make. If said "owner" of this home is getting hundreds of dollars per illegal alien in an overcrowded house, (which seems to be the typical scenario according to Mina, the illegal alien I spoke with, that she was complaining about) they are making thier mortgages and then some, maybe even have paid off thier mortgage. So they will have to stop gaining an obscene amount on a rented house by accepting a reasonable amount from a one family unit, and scale down thier own inflated lifestyle.
 
Old 02-09-2010, 03:41 PM
 
Location: ...at a 3AM epiphany
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Wow. Someone did some math 3 years ago using the then 20 million figure and just in a few areas:

What If 20 Million Illegal Aliens Left the USA?

Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain
News wrote a column titled, "Mexican visitor's lament" -- 10/25/07.

She interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez
while visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said,
"They (illegal aliens) pay rent, buy groceries, buy
clothes...what happens to your country if 20 million
people go away?"

That's a good question it deserves an answer. Over 80
percent of Americans demand secured borders and illegal
migration stopped. But what would happen
if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers
may surprise you!

In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back
to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on
overloaded school systems, bankrupted hospitals
and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner,
safer and less congested.
Everyone could understand one another as English became
the dominant language again.

In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their
300,000 kids and grand-kids would move back "home,"
mostly to Mexico. That would save Coloradans an
estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion)
annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical,
social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000
gang members would vanish out of Denver alone. Colorado
would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror
that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver
Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not
have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.

Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent drop out/flunk
out rate via thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41
different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our
gridlocked cities in Colorado. Denver's four percent unemployment
rate would vanish as our working poor would gain
jobs at a living wage.

In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to
America the rule of law and English.

In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals,
schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more
crime-free experience.

20 million illegal aliens returned "home" --

If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home," the U.S.
economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would
hire legal American citizens at a living wage.
 
Old 02-09-2010, 03:45 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
5,398 posts, read 7,492,273 times
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there is no stats or math in this.
are we to simply beliive this without reliable sources?

just sounds like another half baked chain letter.

garbage post/"stats".

Quote:
Originally Posted by getout View Post
Wow. Someone did some math 3 years ago using the then 20 million figure and just in a few areas:

What If 20 Million Illegal Aliens Left the USA?

Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain
News wrote a column titled, "Mexican visitor's lament" -- 10/25/07.

She interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez
while visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said,
"They (illegal aliens) pay rent, buy groceries, buy
clothes...what happens to your [COLOR=#739912 !important][COLOR=#739912 !important]country's [COLOR=#739912 !important]economy[/color][/color][/color] if 20 million
people go away?"

That's a good question it deserves an answer. Over 80
percent of Americans demand secured borders and illegal
migration stopped. But what would happen
if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers
may surprise you!

In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back
to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on
overloaded school systems, bankrupted hospitals
and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner,
safer and less congested.
Everyone could understand one another as English became
the [COLOR=#739912 !important][COLOR=#739912 !important]dominant[/color][/color] language again.

In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their
300,000 kids and grand-kids would move back "home,"
mostly to Mexico. That would save Coloradans an
estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion)
annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical,
social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000
gang members would vanish out of Denver alone. Colorado
would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror
that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver
Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not
have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.

Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent drop out/flunk
out rate via thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41
different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our
gridlocked cities in Colorado. Denver's four percent unemployment
rate would vanish as our working poor would gain
jobs at a living wage.

In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to
America the rule of law and English.

In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals,
schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more
crime-free experience.

20 million illegal aliens returned "home" --

If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home," the U.S.
economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would
hire legal American citizens at a living wage.

Last edited by the one; 02-09-2010 at 03:58 PM..
 
Old 02-09-2010, 03:46 PM
Status: "Chin up things can only get better" (set 10 days ago)
 
Location: South Bay Native
9,629 posts, read 12,826,325 times
Reputation: 13449
Quote:
Originally Posted by getout View Post
Wow. Someone did some math 3 years ago using the then 20 million figure and just in a few areas:

What If 20 Million Illegal Aliens Left the USA?

Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain
News wrote a column titled, "Mexican visitor's lament" -- 10/25/07.

She interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez
while visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said,
"They (illegal aliens) pay rent, buy groceries, buy
clothes...what happens to your country if 20 million
people go away?"

That's a good question it deserves an answer. Over 80
percent of Americans demand secured borders and illegal
migration stopped. But what would happen
if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers
may surprise you!

In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back
to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on
overloaded school systems, bankrupted hospitals
and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner,
safer and less congested.
Everyone could understand one another as English became
the dominant language again.

In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their
300,000 kids and grand-kids would move back "home,"
mostly to Mexico. That would save Coloradans an
estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion)
annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical,
social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000
gang members would vanish out of Denver alone. Colorado
would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror
that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver
Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not
have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.

Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent drop out/flunk
out rate via thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41
different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our
gridlocked cities in Colorado. Denver's four percent unemployment
rate would vanish as our working poor would gain
jobs at a living wage.

In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to
America the rule of law and English.

In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals,
schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more
crime-free experience.

20 million illegal aliens returned "home" --

If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home," the U.S.
economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would
hire legal American citizens at a living wage.
And that right there is just the tip of the iceberg. But a wonderful start, nonetheless!
 
Old 02-09-2010, 03:52 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
17,077 posts, read 6,820,973 times
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NYChistorygal View Post
For my area:

the gangs will be gone, sooo...
the crime rate will decrease
the streets will be cleaner as the day laborers won't be leaving their garbage on the corners
English will be spoken again
schools will no longer be overcrowded and students will do better as they won't have to cater to
non-English speakers
hospitals will stop going bankrupt
property values will increase
electric, sewer and water systems will no longer be over-strained due to too many people living
in each house
I'll say you more then made your points, Good for you.
 
Old 02-09-2010, 03:54 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
17,077 posts, read 6,820,973 times
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ArizonaBear View Post
Wrong! I am old enough to remember when things were cheaper compared to now and there far fewer illegal aliens. Hell; we are discussing only 10 years ago.

And if food prices spike (slightly); oh well............many of us Americans (including myself) can stand to lose a few pounds .

Hey ArizonaBear, like the ATTITUDE!
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