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Old 02-11-2010, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Pa
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Originally Posted by 1751texan View Post
Deportation doesnt mean He has to forfits the house. He's just in another country.

He can rent the house to cover mortgage and taxes.
In this case I like Thailands approach. Non-citizens are not allowed to own land. I can build a house, but must lease the land. I can transfer the house to a citizen and the land will become theirs but I can never own it.
If for some reason my VISA is revoked I have the right to sell the home but not keep it.
This protects Thailand.
We should adopt similar laws.
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Old 02-11-2010, 09:18 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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He also could have bought the house without breaking a bunch of laws too or begging the US Company for a loan
Since we tax payers bailed them out it's too bad we don't have more of a say who they loan it too. 5 million Illegals (est) bought homes during the rise but the articles I read stated a huge amount defaulted. That's not a wise business practice.

He did no more Begging than any othe customer of that bank.

taxpayer bailed out the banks. more corectly, congress voted to bail the banks out.

I have not seen any report that Aliens defaulted on home loans in any higher percentage that any other group.

and this person we are Hypothetically speaking of, can be deported and not default on the loan.
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Old 02-11-2010, 04:30 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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He did no more Begging than any othe customer of that bank.

taxpayer bailed out the banks. more corectly, congress voted to bail the banks out.

I have not seen any report that Aliens defaulted on home loans in any higher percentage that any other group.

and this person we are Hypothetically speaking of, can be deported and not default on the loan.
Not getting your point here, so other than:

trespassing, using false documents to obtain the loan you are ok with them taking a house that otherwise could have been filled with an American family? 5 million bogus bank loans sounds like a lot of wrong doing to me. But since some scum Americans did it too they should get a free pass on the defaults?
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Old 02-11-2010, 06:06 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Nothing in federal law prohibits illegal immigrants from owning homes. And banks can legally accept passports, tax identification numbers, and consular cards from people who want to open bank accounts or get home loans, according to the Comptroller of the Currency, a bureau of the US Treasury that regulates national banks.

Illegal immigrants own homes with help of bank loans - The Boston Globe


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Does the illegal have a right to be in this country?
Does the illegal have a right to work in this country?
Do we need to waste the effort to write laws that state that because an illegal does not have a right to be in this country, work in this country they then would have no right to own property in this country?
Evidently we do.
Is there a law that says one is not allowed to drive a car and burn a large pile of leaves in the back seat at the same time? No but maybe we should just in case someone thinks it would be fun.

The Alien is benefiting from a Banking laws writen to allow wealthy foreigners to come, set up banking and purchase property and start businesses and go to school.

Now, The banks are not required by federal law, to ask the foreigner if they are working in the country legally, or if they have legal residence status.

So the Alien is afforded the same courtesy as the Wealthy Foreigner, and enjoys the same law.
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Old 02-11-2010, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Nothing in federal law prohibits illegal immigrants from owning homes. And banks can legally accept passports, tax identification numbers, and consular cards from people who want to open bank accounts or get home loans, according to the Comptroller of the Currency, a bureau of the US Treasury that regulates national banks.

Illegal immigrants own homes with help of bank loans - The Boston Globe





The Alien is benefiting from a Banking laws writen to allow wealthy foreigners to come, set up banking and purchase property and start businesses and go to school.

Now, The banks are not required by federal law, to ask the foreigner if they are working in the country legally, or if they have legal residence status.

So the Alien is afforded the same courtesy as the Wealthy Foreigner, and enjoys the same law.
The law needs to be changed. Its that simple.
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Old 02-12-2010, 07:41 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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With all Due Respect.

E-verify is the most power tool in the immagration battle. Everyone wanting to affect change in there state should be pushing E-verify
in their respective State Legislatures.

Of all the "Fixes" to immigration, E-V is the lest expensive to implement,
No need for hiring people to emplement, no need to try to change exsiting Ferderal laws. and does not add people to the inforcement rolls.

E-V for employment would say to immigrants, this State checks status, this is a deterent to new commers, It slowly moves immigrant populations out of state, as not to cause a hit to local businesses, or having to hiring extra personel for inforcement.
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Old 02-12-2010, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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With all Due Respect.

E-verify is the most power tool in the immagration battle. Everyone wanting to affect change in there state should be pushing E-verify
in their respective State Legislatures.

Of all the "Fixes" to immigration, E-V is the lest expensive to implement,
No need for hiring people to emplement, no need to try to change exsiting Ferderal laws. and does not add people to the inforcement rolls.

E-V for employment would say to immigrants, this State checks status, this is a deterent to new commers, It slowly moves immigrant populations out of state, as not to cause a hit to local businesses, or having to hiring extra personel for inforcement.
You have just described why illegal alien advocates fight tooth and nail to prevent E-Verify from being used. They know it works.
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Old 02-12-2010, 08:34 AM
 
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With all Due Respect.

E-verify is the most power tool in the immagration battle. Everyone wanting to affect change in there state should be pushing E-verify
in their respective State Legislatures.

Of all the "Fixes" to immigration, E-V is the lest expensive to implement,
No need for hiring people to emplement, no need to try to change exsiting Ferderal laws. and does not add people to the inforcement rolls.

E-V for employment would say to immigrants, this State checks status, this is a deterent to new commers, It slowly moves immigrant populations out of state, as not to cause a hit to local businesses, or having to hiring extra personel for inforcement.
Glad to see you you are in favor of E-verify. You are correct, it is the single most important tool to weed out the cheating employers and employees. Some in here claim that because it doesn't have a perfect accuracy rate, it shouldn't be used until it does. Nothing in any database will ever be 100% accurate and it is just an excuse to keep the status quo. As we all know it has a 96-98% accuracy rate and for those whose records come up questionable, they can appeal them. Anyone in this country illegally should have no problem clearing it up.
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Old 02-12-2010, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Glad to see you you are in favor of E-verify. You are correct, it is the single most important tool to weed out the cheating employers and employees.
I wouldn't place too much blame on the employers. Most employers follow honest hiring practices, they just don't have the tools in place to detect ID fraud from their applicants. Many companies that aren't mandated to use E-Verify do a basic social security number check which essentially just tells them that the social security number is valid. E-verify is a better tool employers can use to deter ID fraud because it checks to see that not only the SS# is valid, but that it matches the applicant's name, date of birth and gender and also includes biometric data.
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Old 02-12-2010, 10:59 AM
 
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I wouldn't place too much blame on the employers. Most employers follow honest hiring practices, they just don't have the tools in place to detect ID fraud from their applicants. Many companies that aren't mandated to use E-Verify do a basic social security number check which essentially just tells them that the social security number is valid. E-verify is a better tool employers can use to deter ID fraud because it checks to see that not only the SS# is valid, but that it matches the applicant's name, date of birth and gender and also includes biometric data.
It is true that many employers are fooled by fake documents, however some do know that the person they are hiring is illegally in our country. That is the reason we need e-verify. Neither employer nor employee will be able to fool the system anymore.
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