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Old 02-11-2010, 03:10 PM
 
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Is that clause, debated but not added, or do you want the 14th ammended to add that clause?
"Subject to the jurisdicton thereof" is the actual wording of the 14th amendment. What I provided was what the Senator and others back then wanted it to be interpreted to mean when it was written. That interpretation changed when a case was brought before the Supreme Court challenging it and that case was won. If I remember right, the case made no sense at all. I believe the details of that case was posted in here under another topic not too long ago.
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Old 02-11-2010, 03:51 PM
 
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I guess since so many people have trouble understanding what the intent of the amendment was, then YES, this bit should be added.
Children born to foreign parents should NOT be automatic US citizens at birth!
Definitely children of those who are here illegally should not be conferred automatic citizenship. It is simply an abuse of the 14th amendment.
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Old 02-11-2010, 06:23 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Definitely children of those who are here illegally should not be conferred automatic citizenship. It is simply an abuse of the 14th amendment.

The precedent has already been set...



The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (P.L. 104-193)

The act also requires us to report on the extent to which means-tested public benefits are provided to illegal aliens for the use of eligible
individuals. This is most likely to occur when an illegal alien parent noteligible for aid receives benefits on behalf of his or her U.S. citizen child. A child born in the United States to an illegal alien obtains U.S. citizenship at birth regardless of the parentís immigration status and, as any other citizen in need, may receive welfare and other benefits. When such a child receives assistance, the aid also helps support the childís family, raising concerns about the use of public assistance by those illegally in the United States.

http://www.gao.gov/archive/1998/he98030.pdf
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Old 02-11-2010, 06:33 PM
 
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The precedent has already been set...



The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (P.L. 104-193)

The act also requires us to report on the extent to which means-tested public benefits are provided to illegal aliens for the use of eligible
individuals. This is most likely to occur when an illegal alien parent noteligible for aid receives benefits on behalf of his or her U.S. citizen child. A child born in the United States to an illegal alien obtains U.S. citizenship at birth regardless of the parentís immigration status and, as any other citizen in need, may receive welfare and other benefits. When such a child receives assistance, the aid also helps support the childís family, raising concerns about the use of public assistance by those illegally in the United States.

http://www.gao.gov/archive/1998/he98030.pdf
Let's not play down this sentence, however.

When such a child receives assistance, the aid also helps support the childís family, raising concerns about the use of public assistance by those illegally in the United States.
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Old 02-11-2010, 06:37 PM
 
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The precedent has already been set...



The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (P.L. 104-193)

The act also requires us to report on the extent to which means-tested public benefits are provided to illegal aliens for the use of eligible
individuals. This is most likely to occur when an illegal alien parent noteligible for aid receives benefits on behalf of his or her U.S. citizen child. A child born in the United States to an illegal alien obtains U.S. citizenship at birth regardless of the parent’s immigration status and, as any other citizen in need, may receive welfare and other benefits. When such a child receives assistance, the aid also helps support the child’s family, raising concerns about the use of public assistance by those illegally in the United States.

http://www.gao.gov/archive/1998/he98030.pdf
Which is exactly why we need a Constitutional Amendment, IMO.

I doubt any of our elected representatives are willing to alienate a major voting block to put such an Amendment forward, or that it would garner enough co-sponsor support to get out of committee.
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Old 02-11-2010, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Which is exactly why we need a Constitutional Amendment, IMO.

I doubt any of our elected representatives are willing to alienate a major voting block to put such an Amendment forward, or that it would garner enough co-sponsor support to get out of committee.
Which major voting bloc would this be? If discussing 'Hispanics'; maybe 10% of them are registered voters----------and, many of them are anti illegal immigration For that matter: American Blacks are equal in size to Latinos population wise--------and, I can safely say that most of them would be favor of reinterpreting the 14th to specifically exclude Anchor Babies.
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Old 02-11-2010, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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Let's not play down this sentence, however.

When such a child receives assistance, the aid also helps support the childís family, raising concerns about the use of public assistance by those illegally in the United States.
Early on in the link provided the following is written:

In fiscal year 1995, about $1.1 billion in AFDC and Food Stamp benefits
were provided to households with an illegal alien parent for the use of his
or her citizen child.


$1.1 BILLION in 1995! Given the fact that illegals have been flooding into the USA since then, I would like to see what the number is in 2010 figures.
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Old 02-12-2010, 07:20 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Which major voting bloc would this be? If discussing 'Hispanics'; maybe 10% of them are registered voters----------and, many of them are anti illegal immigration For that matter: American Blacks are equal in size to Latinos population wise--------and, I can safely say that most of them would be favor of reinterpreting the 14th to specifically exclude Anchor Babies.
That clause about concers did not escape me...and I didnt delete it, because my point was-

That 1996 law is setting precedent for the interpretation of the 14th.

I know there is the underlying concerns about illegals recieving aid...

but what ive been trying to say is, Hispanics only make up 15% of the American population

If hispanics only make up 10% of the registered/ or voters in this country...
How are all these laws being passed?.

If I recall, 1996 was a Republican admistration.

but it really doesnt mater the label of politican, they are the ones selling you down the river...Big Money intrests writes the laws. And yes, for a lot of years Big Business profited off cheap labor. Big Banks write banking laws, so if a Alien can buy a home here, thats been OKed up the line...

Yes America is paying through Taxes for aliens to be here...but those rules were NOT written by me, or Aliens, or by LULAC, or Hispanic Americans, or the average American tax payer...Big Business writes the laws and you fund it.

Follow the money.
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Old 02-12-2010, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Follow the money.
We already know where that trail leads. The point is, in 2010, we do not need to ensure citizenship for the offspring of freed slaves. Thus, the 14th Amendment needs to be rescinded before illegals and their US-born children completely bankrupt this country.
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Old 02-12-2010, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Metropolis
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There are ballot initiatives gathering signatures in California on this issue. Does anyone know if there is any other push at the state level to address this issue? All we need, is to get this on a state referendum and it WILL pass. Then it goes to the courts. The courts is the only place we have a real chance on ending this huge problem.

The Supreme Court seems to be leaning right. They also seem to be very pro-business as well. 50-50 chances.

With 400,000 anchor babies born annually, we need to deal with this as soon as possible.

Does anyone know what would happen to current anchor children, if the courts did end birthright citizenship? Are there any precedents with a grandfather clause involved with a situation at least somewhat lateral to this issue?
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