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Old 02-12-2010, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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This should not even be an issue. They are here illegally and should not be accommodated. If they want to attend college, they should pay the higher foreign student rates, period. They are NOT citizens, and should not be treated as such. Furthermore, how is in-state tuition for illegal aliens not considered aiding and abetting?

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A bill that would repeal in-state tuition for children of undocumented immigrants is making its sixth legislative appearance in seven years. But this time, proponents will argue that budget cuts and possible enrollment caps means there might not be enough room for citizens, let alone students who aren't documented.

"We've got legal citizens who can't get in classes that undocumented students are sitting in," Greenwood said. "We should pay more attention to those who are here legally. They should be sitting in those seats before an undocumented alien."

You don't lay blame at the feet of children who have no decisions in the matter," Martinez said. "They want to lead productive lives. We should be fighting to accommodate them. What a wonderful thing that they can get into college and want to give back to their community."

If schools start enacting enrollment caps, will schools deny citizens admission and allow an illegal alien to enter?" Mortensen said. "If a citizen can't get the classes he needs to graduate, but the illegal alien does, it doesn't make sense because the illegal alien can't legally work when he graduates."

"It's on the verge of racism," Cordova said. "Any nation or state that does not allow a child to receive equal education, well, there is something totally wrong with their concepts of equality."
Lawmaker: Budget woes mean in-state tuition goes - Salt Lake Tribune
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Old 02-12-2010, 10:35 AM
 
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Always interesting that it is nearly always someone with a Hispanic surname who defends illegal aliens in everyway, isn't it? Notice the names Martinez and Cordova in the above article? I seldom see a Wong or Smith or any other person with a non-hispanic surname defending them. I seldom see anyone with a Hispanc surname that opposes their illegal presence in our country. Yes, ethnocentricism and tribalism are alive and well in this country.
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Old 02-12-2010, 10:39 AM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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What exactly does "on the verge of racism" mean? And how can it be even remotely considered racist to disallow illegal aliens the benefits that we have in place for our own citizens?
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Old 02-12-2010, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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the cash cow udder is mangled enough as it is.
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Old 02-12-2010, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Once out of high school they are no longer a "child" - why are we expected to provided an "equal education" through to college graduation? Their expectations are beyond obscene.
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Old 02-12-2010, 11:12 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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This should not even be an issue. They are here illegally and should not be accommodated. If they want to attend college, they should pay the higher foreign student rates, period. They are NOT citizens, and should not be treated as such. Furthermore, how is in-state tuition for illegal aliens not considered aiding and abetting?


Lawmaker: Budget woes mean in-state tuition goes - Salt Lake Tribune

Once again some of you FAIL to understand that this is not a ban on foriengers from attending college, it is not even to ban State fincial aid to undocumented students...

All it is to repeal the tuition credit that a undocumented student recieves instead of paying the Out of state or Foriegn tution rates.

Former Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. was a champion of the law that allowed undocumented students to pay in-state tuition, and Gov. Gary Herbert sees no need to change it.

The word that is missing after the red highlighted phrase is rates.

This does not affect State Student aid if offered to Aliens, only the In State tuition rate. There is nothing in the story about aliens recieving State tuition.

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Old 02-12-2010, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Once again some of you FAIL to understand that this is not a ban on foriengers from attending college, it is not even to ban State fincial aid to undocumented students...

All it is to repeal the tuition credit that a undocumented student recieves instead of paying the Out of state or Foriegn tution rates.

Former Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. was a champion of the law that allowed undocumented students to pay in-state tuition, and Gov. Gary Herbert sees no need to change it.

The word that is missing after the red highlighted phrase is rates.

This does not affect State Student aid if offered to Aliens, only the In State tuition rate. There is nothing in the story about aliens recieving State tuition.
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Rep. Richard Greenwood, R-Roy, is planning to run a bill that would repeal a 2002 state law that grants in-state tuition to undocumented immigrants' children who graduate from a Utah high school.
I’m not sure if this is a comprehension deficiency or intentional obfuscation. We are discussing in-state tuition for illegal aliens. No one has even remotely mentioned banning "foreigners" from our colleges. This is really getting old.

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Old 02-12-2010, 11:34 AM
 
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I’m not sure if this is a comprehension deficiency or intentional obfuscation. We are discussing in-state tuition for illegal aliens. No one has even remotely mentioned banning "foreigners" from our colleges. This is really getting old.
Its old because you keep citing mis information...

Then why In-State and not just State Tuition.

Just as happen in Nebraska, NB repealled the In-State tuition rate and made aliens pay the out of state rate.

Why would the artice say PAY instead of Recieve State aid.
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Old 02-12-2010, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Its old because you keep citing mis information...

Then why In-State and not just State Tuition.

Just as happen in Nebraska, NB repealled the In-State tuition rate and made aliens pay the out of state rate.

Why would the artice say PAY instead of Recieve State aid.
No misinformation; only lack of comprehension for some. Illegal aliens arenít simply interested in attending our universities. They also want to be treated as U.S. citizens by receiving in-state tuition. Thus, the bill, and the topic of this thread, is in-state tuition for illegal aliens. What is so difficult to comprehend?
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Old 02-12-2010, 11:42 AM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Iím not sure if this is a comprehension deficiency or intentional obfuscation. We are discussing in-state tuition for illegal aliens. No one has even remotely mentioned banning "foreigners" from our colleges. This is really getting old.


Boy do i agree with you, and this subject, is getting so very old! We should not even be having this subject, because what is happening should not be!
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