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Old 02-15-2010, 08:26 AM
 
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Immigration cases flooding U.S. courts

More and more of wasted tax payer money which would be avoided if they never came here to begin with.
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Old 02-15-2010, 09:17 AM
 
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I don't know why they need an immigration hearing to begin with. If they're here illegally, they should be deported. It's not as if they're facing time in jail, or prison. Being sent back to one's country of origin isn't the same as incarceration. The only ones who should have an immigration hearing are those seeking asylum to determine if they have a valid reason for staying in this country, or not.
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Old 02-15-2010, 09:19 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Default Reality Bites

Stepped-up immigration enforcement is overloading U.S. immigration courts and undermining the ability of judges to rule fairly because they are under growing pressure to decide cases quickly, experts say.

The flood of cases is creating backlogs that, at least in Phoenix, will take years for judges to decide whether immigrants facing deportation can legally stay in the U.S., according to an examination by The Arizona Republic.




Now for all you Deportation proponets, heres a Wake up call. Multiply this situation Nation wide. The cost of aprehension and detention while awaitng US Immigration law rules of a deportation Hearing to determin "Legality".

Now add up the cost of Housing(detention centers), Feeding, Securing(gaurds), medical treatment, and defence attorney costs

After the Legality determnation, then the Alien has to be returned to Home country...Millions and Miliions of dollars for hundreds and hundreds of Flights to home countries.

Reality Bites.
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Old 02-15-2010, 09:22 AM
 
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Stepped-up immigration enforcement is overloading U.S. immigration courts and undermining the ability of judges to rule fairly because they are under growing pressure to decide cases quickly, experts say.

The flood of cases is creating backlogs that, at least in Phoenix, will take years for judges to decide whether immigrants facing deportation can legally stay in the U.S., according to an examination by The Arizona Republic.




Now for all you Deportation proponets, heres a Wake up call. Multiply this situation Nation wide. The cost of aprehension and detention while awaitng US Immigration law rules of a deportation to determin "Legality".

Now add up the cost of Housing9detention centers), Feeding, Securing(gaurds), medical treatment, and defence attorney costs

Aafter the Legality determnation, then the Alien has to be returned to Home country...Millions and Miliions of dollars for hundreds and hundreds of Flights to home countries.

Reality Bites.
Exactly! Yet another cost from these criminal invaders passed onto the American tax payer. Stop criminals from coming in! No amensty for criminals who will continue to cost and strain ALL of our systems.
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Old 02-15-2010, 09:24 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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I don't know why they need an immigration hearing to begin with. If they're here illegally, they should be deported. It's not as if they're facing time in jail, or prison. Being sent back to one's country of origin isn't the same as incarceration. The only ones who should have an immigration hearing are those seeking asylum to determine if they have a valid reason for staying in this country, or not.
"Illegality is a legal determination made in a US Detention Hearing. If you dont have a hearing how is one known to be "Illegal"?
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Old 02-15-2010, 01:47 PM
 
Location: central Oregon
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"Illegality is a legal determination made in a US Detention Hearing. If you dont have a hearing how is one known to be "Illegal"?
The hearings are not to determine if they are illegal, but to decide if they are going to be deported or allowed to stay.

The judges should just look over the case files and make their decisions based on that alone. No whiney illegals should be allowed in our courts - they are illegal, the deserve nothing but a swift deportation!
Group the cases together and if the illegals must appear before a judge then they can all be told as one: GO HOME!

This part of the article really ticked me off:

"Most of the cases before the immigration courts involve parents like Chavez who have been living in the U.S. for more than 10 years and have U.S. citizen children. Those two factors make them eligible for "cancellation of removal." To win their cases, immigrants must prove to a judge that their deportation would cause "exceptional and extremely unusual hardship" to a U.S. citizen spouse, parent or child."

I get so mad when I hear the sob stories about leaving loved ones behind. Isn't this what they do when they leave Mexico? Damn Americans (born to the illegals, or married to them) must be unstable compared to their Mexican relatives. Why else would they cry that deportation from OUR country would cause "exceptional and extremely unusual hardship"?
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Old 02-15-2010, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Pa
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"Illegality is a legal determination made in a US Detention Hearing. If you dont have a hearing how is one known to be "Illegal"?
Yes sort of like car theft. How do we know the guy is a car thief until he has his trial. Caught in the act, fleeing the scene in the car he hotwired because he doesn't have a key. Car found in his garage with another stolen car. Yes we need a trial to determine that the guy is in fact a thief.
I do agree with you though. We need a trial so we can get the criminal into the system. Finger prints and such. I think that we should also chip them.
A crackdown, a genuine crackdown on illegals and their employers would be front end heavy for expences. But, as life becomes difficult and the ability to continue their life style becomes nearly impossible illegals will self deport.
We have seen evidence of this in states that have cracked down. Illegals move to more friendly states to avoid deportation and hardship.
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Old 02-15-2010, 03:31 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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The hearings are not to determine if they are illegal, but to decide if they are going to be deported or allowed to stay.

The judges should just look over the case files and make their decisions based on that alone. No whiney illegals should be allowed in our courts - they are illegal, the deserve nothing but a swift deportation!
Group the cases together and if the illegals must appear before a judge then they can all be told as one: GO HOME!

This part of the article really ticked me off:

"Most of the cases before the immigration courts involve parents like Chavez who have been living in the U.S. for more than 10 years and have U.S. citizen children. Those two factors make them eligible for "cancellation of removal." To win their cases, immigrants must prove to a judge that their deportation would cause "exceptional and extremely unusual hardship" to a U.S. citizen spouse, parent or child."

I get so mad when I hear the sob stories about leaving loved ones behind. Isn't this what they do when they leave Mexico? Damn Americans (born to the illegals, or married to them) must be unstable compared to their Mexican relatives. Why else would they cry that deportation from OUR country would cause "exceptional and extremely unusual hardship"?
wHEN DOES THE LEGALITY DETERMINATION HAPPEN...
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Old 02-15-2010, 03:34 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Yes sort of like car theft. How do we know the guy is a car thief until he has his trial. Caught in the act, fleeing the scene in the car he hotwired because he doesn't have a key. Car found in his garage with another stolen car. Yes we need a trial to determine that the guy is in fact a thief.
I do agree with you though. We need a trial so we can get the criminal into the system. Finger prints and such. I think that we should also chip them.
A crackdown, a genuine crackdown on illegals and their employers would be front end heavy for expences. But, as life becomes difficult and the ability to continue their life style becomes nearly impossible illegals will self deport.
We have seen evidence of this in states that have cracked down. Illegals move to more friendly states to avoid deportation and hardship.

Please read US immingration law...read what a determination hearing is.

even in immigration law one is innocent until proven guilty...
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Old 02-15-2010, 03:36 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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I don't know why they need an immigration hearing to begin with. If they're here illegally, they should be deported. It's not as if they're facing time in jail, or prison. Being sent back to one's country of origin isn't the same as incarceration. The only ones who should have an immigration hearing are those seeking asylum to determine if they have a valid reason for staying in this country, or not.
this is a difficult concept?
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