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Old 02-16-2010, 01:58 PM
 
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Ah you make a valid point. It forces them to use fewer places to cross. Ie fewer places to patrol. In other words it is herding them to predictable points of entry.
Herding doesn't work when the border in question is about 2,000 miles. Again, San Diego showed this idea of "herding" didn't work.

This goes again to show that punative actions aren't the right methods for this problem.
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Old 02-16-2010, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Herding doesn't work when the border in question is about 2,000 miles. Again, San Diego showed this idea of "herding" didn't work.

This goes again to show that punative actions aren't the right methods for this problem.
Sure they are. If you make the penalty severe enough as to far outweigh any benefit you create a deterrent.
Herding does work. Its forcing illegals to use decidedly more difficult routes to enter. This difficulty in itself is a deterrent.
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Old 02-16-2010, 02:11 PM
 
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On topic: I refrained from commenting on the "fence" as I am only still learning the pro's, con's of said fence. I DO believe our borders need securing as a matter of national security. If we had not been having to focus mainly on mass illegal immigration, we could better serve our country by focusing on terrorists verses economic drainers, they've just made such a negative impact on this country, of course we need to stop them.
They are a national threat by proxy. Removing the illusion of amnesty coupled with no work for illegals, the border would settle allowing this country to do it's correct job of securing it's borders. Til then, unfortunately, whatever it takes to keep illegal aliens out of America to preserve an America worth saving.

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Old 02-16-2010, 02:32 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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I want to ask a serious question of you. Ive been down that way, Siera Vista, Nogales, Bisbe. Do you think a physical barrier could be built in that area, say from Agua Prieta to Nogales?

Thats some tough land down there.

I would rather see the proposed 6.7 Billion go for more BP stations and Agents along the border.

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Old 02-16-2010, 02:46 PM
 
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The Constitution is there, the beauty is that the FF made it so that if the American People want to change it or up grade it, it could be done at the ballot box.

The problem I see, is that the "Anti-immigrant" movement has No national leader. No leader what so ever. The movement is like a rudderless ship with No direction.

Libertarians changed their platform just recently, Libertarians believed in a free and open border; with workers moving freely across boundries.

Most Rebublicans dont believe in Deportation and believe in some sort of visa or guest worker program...with pathway as an option.

So who is the Leader of this Movement? Who is the American Political leader that will in act all this change?
What anti-immigrant movement? I know of no such thing. I only know of an anti-illegal immigration movement. I would sure like to see some proof that most Republicans don't want illegals deported either voluntarily or involuntarily. We don't need a leader. We have our immigration laws on our side.
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Old 02-16-2010, 03:08 PM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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We could always adopt the border control policies our southern neighbor, Mexico, employs on their southern neighbor, Guatemala. It seems to be working pretty well for them, no?
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Old 02-16-2010, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Pa
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We could always adopt the border control policies our southern neighbor, Mexico, employs on their southern neighbor, Guatemala. It seems to be working pretty well for them, no?
Works for me...
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Old 02-16-2010, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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We could always adopt the border control policies our southern neighbor, Mexico, employs on their southern neighbor, Guatemala. It seems to be working pretty well for them, no?
Talk about hypocrisy. But, that’s right, only the U.S. must coddle illegals and roll out the red carpet. Other governments have not only a right, but an obligation, to secure their borders and punish intruders. After all, they are only protecting their country. What a novel concept.
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Old 02-16-2010, 05:29 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Herding doesn't work when the border in question is about 2,000 miles. Again, San Diego showed this idea of "herding" didn't work.

This goes again to show that punative actions aren't the right methods for this problem.
Obviously; 'herding' is working since the death toll of illegal aliens is increasing due to them being forced through inhospitable areas i.e. deserts. Think of a 'passive' death strip along our southern border.
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Old 02-16-2010, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I want to ask a serious question of you. Ive been down that way, Siera Vista, Nogales, Bisbe. Do you think a physical barrier could be built in that area, say from Agua Prieta to Nogales?

Thats some tough land down there.

I would rather see the proposed 6.7 Billion go for more BP stations and Agents along the border.
I want to say yes: E Germany built a ca. 800 mile barrier along the W German border and some to the terrain was rough so it would be feasible to do the same here.
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