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Old 02-16-2010, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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What would give someone who has entered this country illegally to believe that he has the right to be here, work, and have their children receive a public education?

The answer can be found in the United States Congress.

After the massive illegal alien protests in 2006, McCain made the following statement: “If such demonstrations continue, I think we will have a bill for the President to sign soon. The more debate, the more demonstrations, the more likely we will prevail.”

Not to be outdone, Sen. Lindsay Graham (R-SC) speaking at the 2007 NCLR conference, showed his disdain for most of the American people when he said: “We're gonna tell the bigots to shut up.”

However, encouraging the invasion of this country is not limited to our politicians. Even the Pope has joined the chorus.

The Catholic Church has also helped to organize the massive illegal alien rallies seen in recent years around the nation. The March 2006 rally held in Washington, D.C. was sponsored by among others the Archdiocese of Washington’s Office of Justice and Service, Catholic Charities of the Arlington Diocese, and the Catholic Social Justice Lobby Network. Baltimore churches St. Michael and St. Patrick even sent a four bus convoy filled with illegal aliens to the Washington rally.

Is it any wonder so many illegal aliens now feel they have a ‘right’ to be here?
Why do illegal aliens feel they have a ‘right’ to be here?
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Old 02-16-2010, 07:50 AM
 
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It really is a shame that illegal aliens in this country are getting this message. The climate of this debate today is highly unfavorable for those still clinging for that proposed amnesty, it just ain't gonna happen. That message needs to be sent to those still here illegally so they can go home and get on with their lives, in their own country. Some politicians just refuse to acknowledge defeat so I guess the outcome in Nov. will have to acknowledge it for them.

Regarding the Pope, he is the figure head for his scope of business protecting his business interests. Period.
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Old 02-16-2010, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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It really is a shame that illegal aliens in this country are getting this message. The climate of this debate today is highly unfavorable for those still clinging for that proposed amnesty, it just ain't gonna happen. That message needs to be sent to those still here illegally so they can go home and get on with their lives, in their own country. Some politicians just refuse to acknowledge defeat so I guess the outcome in Nov. will have to acknowledge it for them.

Regarding the Pope, he is the figure head for his scope of business protecting his business interests. Period.
Yep, illegals need to start packing their bags. Those who believe opposition to illegal immigration is limited to a fringe group of extremists, will most assuredly receive a rude awakening.
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Old 02-16-2010, 08:11 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Wow, I just looked up bigot and it didn't read, US tax payers sick of funding programs for people, no matter their color or race, that are breaking laws to enter and stay in the United States of America.

They must have a secret dictionary.
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Old 02-16-2010, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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It really is a shame that illegal aliens in this country are getting this message. The climate of this debate today is highly unfavorable for those still clinging for that proposed amnesty, it just ain't gonna happen. That message needs to be sent to those still here illegally so they can go home and get on with their lives, in their own country. Some politicians just refuse to acknowledge defeat so I guess the outcome in Nov. will have to acknowledge it for them.

Regarding the Pope, he is the figure head for his scope of business protecting his business interests. Period.
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Yep, illegals need to start packing their bags. Those who believe opposition to illegal immigration is limited to a fringe group of extremists, will most assuredly receive a rude awakening.
And the Gotterdammerung against illegal aliens and their enablers is just beginning---------read that mass deportations, E-Verify across the land, the reinterpretating of the 14th Amendment to specifically exclude Anchor babies, etc.
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Old 02-16-2010, 08:24 AM
 
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And the Gotterdammerung against illegal aliens and their enablers is just beginning---------read that mass deportations, E-Verify across the land, the reinterpretating of the 14th Amendment to specifically exclude Anchor babies, etc.
Isn't this country amazing? illegal alien invasion has been occurring for years and years yet as soon as Americans find out the cost and detremental effect it has, we move swiftly in comparison. Illegal aliens have no concept of politics or American power/laws when it comes to our nations preservation. They have only learned how to break our laws then are told they have a right to do so. Really sad.
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Old 02-16-2010, 08:56 AM
 
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In a Third World society...(OK..there's no such thing as 'third world', I know.)..but in a "developing" society, legal rights are often a VERY hazy concept. Laws are not written 'by the people', but are imposed upon them from above. There's little notion of participating in government, and little notion of laws having any 'moral' dimension.
In such an environment, one's "rights" become whatever one can get away with. "Rights" in such a society are not gained by fair and legal debate and deliberation, but by loud and persistent demands, public demonstrations (sometimes violent), by civil disobedience, by "bluster", and by simply out-shouting and out-lasting the opposition. That's the way the poor gain their 'rights' in the Third Wor...(excuse me)...in the 'developing' world, and when they come HERE....and when we fail to demand they assimilate, because we believe "all cultures are equal", and because we believe we have no right to ask people to change...then that's the way the poor immigrants act HERE, too....which is to say, they act just like they did back home, where 'rights' as we know them are nearly non-existent, and "gains" are made for one's 'tribe' (or his in-group) by banding together, right or wrong, and simply "blustering" one's way toward his goal, name-calling, never apologizing, never backing down, and never answering a question without another question. An occasional reference to "racism" or "bigotry" helps, too. Basically, you "take what you can get", and you keep the OTHER side on the defensive, by whatever methods you can...yelling, screaming, appealing to sympathy, threatening, and name-calling. You can compare your excellent work-ethic with 'lazy' Americans...you can compare your situation today with that of slaves in the past...you can use any approach you choose...whatever works. As for the matter of 'illegality'?....that means nothing more than a minor point to a person who doesn't understand, nor care for, the laws of this nation. Why should a person who's never experienced a 'fair' law anywhere, suddenly be impressed by our immigration laws...laws which obviously mean nothing to the American who hires him, either?

THAT'S why illegal aliens feel they have a "right" to be here. By the standards of their cultural background, they DO have a right to be here. In their society, and in their experience, this makes as much 'sense' as anything else. Our laws are not their laws, and our problems are not their problems.

The Catholic Church? Absolutely. I'm a Catholic, and the Catholic papers frequently run articles about 'immigrants'. One point that's often made is that "all human beings have the God-given right to travel to seek work". Which is very convenient, and of course is 'the Law of God'....but fails to take into account the reality of 'the law of Man', and its civil society, its borders, and its assorted other laws. So the Catholic Church is concentrating on 'God's love of the poor', while failing to mention a lot of OTHER things it could mention. All of which is a reminder that the Catholic Church, like many others, may have done a fine job of 'taking care of souls'...but has a pretty dismal record when it involves itself in day-to-day politics 'here on Earth'. The Church should take care of our spiritual needs, and let us take care of our society.

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Old 02-16-2010, 09:08 AM
 
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As far as the Catholic Church, maybe it needs to wonder why so many are fleeing so-called Catholic countries where they say they will starve to death and fleeing to a non-Catholic country.

Actually I think it's the big money some churches get with the "faith based" charity where they get big government money for any fake charity they come up with. The nuns around here were really patting themselves on the back for the great charity they did finding loopholes in welfare laws and helping illegals sign up for taxpayer provided handouts. It seems many clergy are quite socialist or even communist and why don't they ever do charity work in these other countries?
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Old 02-16-2010, 09:26 AM
 
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As far as the Catholic Church, maybe it needs to wonder why so many are fleeing so-called Catholic countries where they say they will starve to death and fleeing to a non-Catholic country.
Actually I think it's the big money some churches get with the "faith based" charity where they get big government money for any fake charity they come up with. The nuns around here were really patting themselves on the back for the great charity they did finding loopholes in welfare laws and helping illegals sign up for taxpayer provided handouts. It seems many clergy are quite socialist or even communist and why don't they ever do charity work in these other countries?
To be pefectly fair, I'd have to say you're wrong about 'charity'. I'm involved with a priest right now who's almost single-handedly built an orphanage and school in rural Haiti, and have known several people who've gone there to 'check it out'.
The Catholic Church has done HUGE works of charity in the Third World.
However, they've also been involved in 'socialist' movements, just as you say, and the Church often finds itself at "odds" with the repressive governments and class-ridden societies in many of these places.

Unfortunately, 'Religion and Politics' don't often mix well, and the Catholic Church is no exception to this rule.

As far as the Church's involvement in the 'illegal' situation here in the US? I have often wished they'd spend PART of the energy they use on defending illegals here, on demanding a better deal for the poor 'back home', so they don't feel the need to come here in the first place.
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Old 02-16-2010, 10:42 AM
 
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"As far as the Church's involvement in the 'illegal' situation here in the US? I have often wished they'd spend PART of the energy they use on defending illegals here, on demanding a better deal for the poor 'back home', so they don't feel the need to come here in the first place."

But, defending them at home doesn't put money in the Catholic coffers here. The more Catholics here aka illegal aliens here the more goes into the Sunday morning plate and fills the pews with more parishioners. I know that most Catholics are good people though, I just question the motives of their leaders sometimes.
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