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Old 02-16-2010, 02:08 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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no, framing the options in a positive (or negative) manner would skew data. that would be influence. you dont want to influence peoples responses. that would skew data.

here it says what it clearly states. only 38% of those polled are in favor of deportation. the rest are not.

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One problem though, If I took a poll in Ramona and one in Escondido what would the result set be?



As far as the OPs post, just because they aren't all added into the deporation column doesn't mean you count it as a number against deportation. That would be skewing data.
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Old 02-16-2010, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Pa
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no, framing the options in a positive (or negative) manner would skew data. that would be influence. you dont want to influence peoples responses. that would skew data.

here it says what it clearly states. only 38% of those polled are in favor of deportation. the rest are not.
You state the problem perfectly. We are depending upon the the integrety of those who design the poll. In other words we are depending on them to not have any agenda. In my experience that is never the case. There is always an agenda. It doesn't matter which side does the poll.
For example.
Due to not going through a legal immigration process many thousands of illegals who have entered this country are violent criminals. The best solution is to deport all illegals.
a. strongly agree
b. somewhat agree
c. Niether agree or disagree
d. Somewhat disagree
e. Strongly disagree
This is what we can expect to see in a poll.
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Old 02-16-2010, 04:47 PM
 
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all good polls are unbiased.

and we can expect to see those options in a good poll if we depended on a 5 point likert scale- which is often done. i think the aim was to offer options to people and see what ideas the public favors.

lets take your question (which can very well be answered using the likert scale ). what does that really tell us?

what if we offered these options...


Deport none of them.
Deport only Illegals suspected of violent crimes.
Deport only Illegals convicted of violent crimes
Deport them All.

...would this give us a better idea of what people think?
would that move the course of dealing with this problem of illegal criminality from ideas into actions and solutions?


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You state the problem perfectly. We are depending upon the the integrety of those who design the poll. In other words we are depending on them to not have any agenda. In my experience that is never the case. There is always an agenda. It doesn't matter which side does the poll.
For example.
Due to not going through a legal immigration process many thousands of illegals who have entered this country are violent criminals. The best solution is to deport all illegals.
a. strongly agree
b. somewhat agree
c. Niether agree or disagree
d. Somewhat disagree
e. Strongly disagree
This is what we can expect to see in a poll.
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Old 02-16-2010, 04:54 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Ok if the above logic about polls is true then 38% still want deportation as the MAIN option dealing with Illegals then. I guess you've validated everyone's point, MOST still want deportation as the main option.
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Old 02-16-2010, 05:23 PM
 
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Well... "Don't mess with Texas" -Deportation is not really a practical solution to the illegal immigration problem. The U.S. will have to stop enabling this illegal activity. How many US citizens can go to a foreign country illegally and have children and that government reward reward them with citizenship, free medical, education, jobs and a closed eye to income tax ivasion?
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Old 02-17-2010, 08:42 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Well... "Don't mess with Texas" -Deportation is not really a practical solution to the illegal immigration problem. The U.S. will have to stop enabling this illegal activity. How many US citizens can go to a foreign country illegally and have children and that government reward reward them with citizenship, free medical, education, jobs and a closed eye to income tax ivasion?
I'll take Zero for 1000 and the win. What is the prize?
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Old 02-17-2010, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Lake Norman, North Carolina
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You state the problem perfectly. We are depending upon the the integrety of those who design the poll. In other words we are depending on them to not have any agenda. In my experience that is never the case. There is always an agenda. It doesn't matter which side does the poll.
For example.
Due to not going through a legal immigration process many thousands of illegals who have entered this country are violent criminals. The best solution is to deport all illegals.
a. strongly agree
b. somewhat agree
c. Niether agree or disagree
d. Somewhat disagree
e. Strongly disagree
This is what we can expect to see in a poll.
Can we also assume that numerous polls would be actually given in demographic areas designed to fit the poll giver's agenda with the single poll propagandising said agenda the best finally selected? Or, the poll givers just keep giving the poll in those demographic areas designed to best fit the poll giver's agenda until the poll giver's finally get a positive result that fits their agenda that they can live with?
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Old 02-17-2010, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Well... "Don't mess with Texas" -Deportation is not really a practical solution to the illegal immigration problem. The U.S. will have to stop enabling this illegal activity. How many US citizens can go to a foreign country illegally and have children and that government reward reward them with citizenship, free medical, education, jobs and a closed eye to income tax ivasion?
Thank you.
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Old 02-17-2010, 11:49 AM
 
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biased polling does that, thus making it unreliable and non-generalizable. but most responsible surveys set an N, and when theose numbers are reached they look at the data.

this poll was done randomly... by phone. and by randomly i dont think they got the yellow pages, laid it open while circling a finger across the page.

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Can we also assume that numerous polls would be actually given in demographic areas designed to fit the poll giver's agenda with the single poll propagandising said agenda the best finally selected? Or, the poll givers just keep giving the poll in those demographic areas designed to best fit the poll giver's agenda until the poll giver's finally get a positive result that fits their agenda that they can live with?
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Old 02-17-2010, 11:52 AM
 
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Being that Texas is the second largest state containing illegal aliens, I'm sure those numbers are from true legal Americans
So texans are not true americans?
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