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Old 02-17-2010, 10:08 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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14th Ammendment
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


The 14th speaks of the Jurisdiction of the Person Born, not the parent.
Nowhere does it mention the the parent has to be a citizen, or even under the juridiction of the Unitied States.




Dr. John C. Eastman, Dean of Chapman University’s law school in Orange, California, is among the leading scholars in the nation on constitutional law and has testified before Congress on the issue of birthright citizenship. Eastman states plainly that the framers of the 14th Amendment had no intention of allowing another country to wage demographic warfare against the U.S. and reshaping its culture by means of exploiting birthright citizenship.

“We have this common understanding of when you come here to visit, that you are subject to our jurisdiction. You have to obey our traffic laws. If you come here from England, you have to drive on the right side of the road and not on the left side of the road,” he said. “But the framers of the 14th Amendment had in mind two different notions of ‘subject to the jurisdiction.’ There was what they called territorial jurisdiction— you have to follow the laws in the place where you are—but there was also this more complete, or allegiance-owing jurisdiction that held that you not only have to follow the laws, but that you owe allegiance to the sovereign. And that doesn’t come by just visiting here. That comes by taking an oath of support and becoming part of the body politic. And it is that jurisdiction that they are talking about in the 14th Amendment.”

In no instance did Dr. Eastman show by example where in the 14th that jurisdiction applied to the parents instead of the stated "persons born".

In no instance did Dr. Eastman show by example where in the total U.S. Constitution does it disscuss or define Territorial Jurisdiction or Allegiance-Owing Jurisdiction.

And the most important, In no way did Dr. Eastman display any "Oath" prescribed by the 14th for citizenship allegiance.
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Old 02-18-2010, 12:13 AM
 
Location: central Oregon
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There was what they called territorial jurisdictionó you have to follow the laws in the place where you areóbut there was also this more complete, or allegiance-owing jurisdiction that held that you not only have to follow the laws, but that you owe allegiance to the sovereign. And that doesnít come by just visiting here. That comes by taking an oath of support and becoming part of the body politic. And it is that jurisdiction that they are talking about in the 14th Amendment.Ē

In no instance did Dr. Eastman show by example where in the 14th that jurisdiction applied to the parents instead of the stated "persons born".

In no instance did Dr. Eastman show by example where in the total U.S. Constitution does it disscuss or define Territorial Jurisdiction or Allegiance-Owing Jurisdiction.

And the most important, In no way did Dr. Eastman display any "Oath" prescribed by the 14th for citizenship allegiance.
Since newborn babies cannot take an oath of allegiance to the US then they MUST be talking about the parents of said child. If the parents have no allegiance to our country then it stands to reason that their offspring don't either.
Seems to me that we have some anchors who share their parent's love for the motherland.
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Old 02-18-2010, 04:22 AM
 
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Since newborn babies cannot take an oath of allegiance to the US then they MUST be talking about the parents of said child. If the parents have no allegiance to our country then it stands to reason that their offspring don't either.
Seems to me that we have some anchors who share their parent's love for the motherland.
When did you take your oath?
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Old 02-18-2010, 07:50 AM
 
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One of the clues here is "AND" subject to the jurisdiction thereof which implies there is more than one criteria to meet birthright citizenship qualification.
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Old 02-18-2010, 07:56 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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When did you take your oath?
An oath of allegiance is only necessary for citizenship status for immigrants. Thus, those born on U.S. soil to U.S. citizens are exempt. However, as previously stated, illegal aliens have taken no such oath, and therefore owe no allegiance to this country.
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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When did you take your oath?
In school.
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:09 AM
 
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In school.
Speaking of the Pledge of Allegiance, I read an article in which children of illegal aliens were refusing to participate. Iíll see if I can locate it.
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Speaking of the Pledge of Allegiance, I read an article in which children of illegal aliens were refusing to participate. Iíll see if I can locate it.
I heard that too. There was a big deal going on about it in Ca.
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:21 AM
 
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I think it too late though by about 20 years. The demographics and identity of this country have been changed forever IMO. We will be just another Hispanic nation along with the other 22 already on the Western Hemisphere and this transformation didn't take place by natural means.
I guess 22 is not enough. Really sad.
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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While searching for the article, I found this gem. It really gets good at 0:54.



YouTube - American Students Forced to Say Pledge to Mexican Flag
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