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Old 03-07-2010, 04:38 AM
 
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Yes,, which became epidemic the economy is still struggling, but without the cost efficient labor of the migrant workers and hispanics in general we would be in deep depression by now. Listen to this for example, I am a businessman in Phoenix, recently attended a dinner by the local chamber of commerce, found myself talking to a very interesting man from the northeast, he told me that he had to move his manufacturing plant from Upstate NY to El Paso TX, because he could no longer operate with the huge workers comp premiums due to the high incidence of claims from the employees, added to the fact that when working these employees were an obstruction to production, in El Paso, his work force is > 90%
hispanic with a small portion undocumented, stating that payroll has gone down only 10% per capita compare to his operation in NY, however profits are up about 500%.
You know, people have it so wrong, it is not that immigrants work for slave wages, the big difference is their work ethics, and lack of litiginous spirit.....
it's a good thing that illegals aren't litigious, because they would be placing yet another burden on american citizens.:

an arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border.(washington times)

or this one:
a group of illegal immigrants recently SPARED DEPORTATION by a sympathetic Connecticut judge are suing the federal agents that arrested them, claiming their constitutional rights were violated in the raids that led to their apprehension.

should i keep going?
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Old 03-07-2010, 11:51 AM
 
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And if said illegals from Mexico at least were so damn good, how come Mexico is not a First World society?
We've told you. However, it seems like you are a historical revisionist (aka, ignorant of reality). This could be by choice or by lack of opportunity. Either way...this post reflects an inability to look at facts and draw logical conclusions.
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Old 03-07-2010, 11:56 AM
 
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Fox is the hate channel? Oh, please! Swartznegger admitted just a few short weeks ago that illegal immigration is a "contributing" factor to this state's economic woes. He has never denied that.

Why would our economy take a dump with illegal aliens gone? We have American workers that will take their place for a fair wage. No business should survive by circumventing our labor and immigration laws.
As are people who use autistic services, as are people who litter, as are people who have smoked marijuana and got caught. However, these groups of people have not contributed to the state's budget woes in any significant way...yes including illegal immigrants. And yes, I've read the posts of illegal immigrant costs...these never factor any benefits and usually are highly subjective and lack consistency (hence why there is a large range of figures).
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Old 03-08-2010, 12:03 AM
 
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BTW, the man in question you talk about, was lying to you. He didn't tell you about the t.i.f. money so he pays no taxes for moving his business. He also forgot to mention he doesn't give out bonuses in el paso compared to ny. That's where he is really making the extra money. But it also shows the pure greed on his part, that he was still MAKING MONEY IN NY!!!! And the fact if he started from nothing to build his customer base, he would have to do it from ny again.

One more thing, what is the name of your company in Phoenix?
I think of him as an american hero, instead of outsourcing his production to china or india, he kept it here in the usa, you call him greedy because
he did allow not his company go into bankrupcy??? that's very cynical, we beleive in capitalism in the usa, not comunisn where enterprise fails due to the apathy of the proletarian....

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Old 03-08-2010, 03:17 AM
 
Location: Eastern Missouri
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I think of him as an american hero, instead of outsourcing his production to china or india, he kept it here in the usa, you call him greedy because
he did allow not his company go into bankrupcy??? that's very cynical, we beleive in capitalism in the usa, not comunisn where enterprise fails due to the apathy of the proletarian....

DUH!! HE WAS STILL MAKING MONEY IN NY!!! Something about that bs you spewed. If he had that high of accident claims, then he was not keeping the equipment up and did not have the safty devices in place on the equipment. Having BUILT machines, unless he had very old junk, he had taken the guards off to increase production. His fault not the workers fault. I've seen that so many times in plants and then hear that same scripted bs out of those clowns. Want to test what he told you? Ask him to work on his own equipment the next month without getting hurt. When he uses whatever excuse to decline, he's full of bs.

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We've told you. However, it seems like you are a historical revisionist (aka, ignorant of reality). This could be by choice or by lack of opportunity. Either way...this post reflects an inability to look at facts and draw logical conclusions.

AZBEAR IS RIGHT !!! If mexico and thier people was so good, then they would stand up to the corruption and fix it. It's revisionistic to say otherwise. It's fact. They are too lazy to fix their country and in fact want the US to be the same junk set up they have. They have all the natural resouces they need to be a first class country, but have chosen the easy way out and by doing nothing have made their choice loud and clear.

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it's a good thing that illegals aren't litigious, because they would be placing yet another burden on american citizens.:

an arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border.(washington times)

or this one:
a group of illegal immigrants recently SPARED DEPORTATION by a sympathetic Connecticut judge are suing the federal agents that arrested them, claiming their constitutional rights were violated in the raids that led to their apprehension.

should i keep going?

That judge should be removed asap from the bench because he/she violated their oath to uphold the Constitution and Laws of our Nation and that State. Jail is where that Judge should be headed.

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Old 03-08-2010, 03:59 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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it's a good thing that illegals aren't litigious, because they would be placing yet another burden on american citizens.:

an arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border.(washington times)

or this one:
a group of illegal immigrants recently SPARED DEPORTATION by a sympathetic Connecticut judge are suing the federal agents that arrested them, claiming their constitutional rights were violated in the raids that led to their apprehension.

should i keep going?
Why go on...We have read these same stories on the Internet for years...over and over.

how did that AZ case come out? And what does this...(washington times) mean? Is that your link?
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Old 03-08-2010, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Yes, the economy's in the toilet and has been in the toilet for the last 20, 40, 100, 150, 200 years because of immigration. Except when our economy has put our competitor's economy in the toilet for the last 20, 40, 100, 150, 200 years because of immigration. The truth is so self-evident. Look it up [then laugh with me.].
Our problems are not due to legal immigration. Legal immigrants have made major contributions to this country. Conversely, illegal aliens are a scourge.
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Old 03-29-2010, 01:56 AM
 
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Our problems are not due to legal immigration. Legal immigrants have made major contributions to this country. Conversely, illegal aliens are a scourge.

Our main problems have nothing to do with either legal or illegal immigration, our biggest financial woes stem from the fact that we are no longer a manufacturing country, we buy, buy, and trade, with a huge deficit in trade, we need to start making our own stuff, and that's how amnesty in part will help us rebound by allowing all these able, motivated workers to legally participate in the economy. then we can work with securing the border......
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Old 03-29-2010, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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Our main problems have nothing to do with either legal or illegal immigration, our biggest financial woes stem from the fact that we are no longer a manufacturing country, we buy, buy, and trade, with a huge deficit in trade, we need to start making our own stuff, and that's how amnesty in part will help us rebound by allowing all these able, motivated workers to legally participate in the economy. then we can work with securing the border......
Time to remove the blinders.
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Old 03-29-2010, 10:36 AM
 
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Our main problems have nothing to do with either legal or illegal immigration, our biggest financial woes stem from the fact that we are no longer a manufacturing country, we buy, buy, and trade, with a huge deficit in trade, we need to start making our own stuff, and that's how amnesty in part will help us rebound by allowing all these able, motivated workers to legally participate in the economy. then we can work with securing the border......
No, both outsourcing of jobs and insourcing of illegals aliens have contributed to the problem.
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