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Old 03-29-2010, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Our main problems have nothing to do with either legal or illegal immigration, our biggest financial woes stem from the fact that we are no longer a manufacturing country, we buy, buy, and trade, with a huge deficit in trade, we need to start making our own stuff, and that's how amnesty in part will help us rebound by allowing all these able, motivated workers to legally participate in the economy. then we can work with securing the border......
Yes, our manufacturing industries have left. However, illegal immigration has only exacerbated our problems; and amnesty would only add more to our welfare rolls. Not to mention, the millions of relatives who would come here through family reunification. Perhaps you donít realize illegals would not add to our tax base due to their low wages. They would only increase our deficit. You can spin it anyway you choose, but 0+0 will still equal ZERO.
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Old 03-29-2010, 06:18 PM
 
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Yes, our manufacturing industries have left. However, illegal immigration has only exacerbated our problems; and amnesty would only add more to our welfare rolls. Not to mention, the millions of relatives who would come here through family reunification. Perhaps you donít realize illegals would not add to our tax base due to their low wages. They would only increase our deficit. You can spin it anyway you choose, but 0+0 will still equal ZERO.
For one thing, migrant workers are well underrepresented regarding welfare, you're right their contribution to federal taxes would be minimal although they would pay their fair share of fica and local taxes, the importance of allowing them to work in the usa is that it will allow companies to operate in the usa, therefore generating jobs for other americans, it is a win-win situation......
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Old 03-29-2010, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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For one thing, migrant workers are well underrepresented regarding welfare, you're right their contribution to federal taxes would be minimal although they would pay their fair share of fica and local taxes, the importance of allowing them to work in the usa is that it will allow companies to operate in the usa, therefore generating jobs for other americans, it is a win-win situation......
Enjoy your fantasies............
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Old 03-29-2010, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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For one thing, migrant workers are well underrepresented regarding welfare, you're right their contribution to federal taxes would be minimal although they would pay their fair share of fica and local taxes, the importance of allowing them to work in the usa is that it will allow companies to operate in the usa, therefore generating jobs for other americans, it is a win-win situation......
Generate other jobs for Americans?...Let's hear some examples.
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Old 03-29-2010, 06:37 PM
 
Location: ...at a 3AM epiphany
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*POP*-reality sets in:

No one is interested in amnesty no matter the spin of words, except of course illegals looking for more advantages America can offer, ain't gonna happen.
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Old 03-29-2010, 06:52 PM
 
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For one thing, migrant workers are well underrepresented regarding welfare, you're right their contribution to federal taxes would be minimal although they would pay their fair share of fica and local taxes, the importance of allowing them to work in the usa is that it will allow companies to operate in the usa, therefore generating jobs for other americans, it is a win-win situation......
If they were legalized then they would be just like every other American and get paid at a fair wage so what is the advantage of legalizing them? The advantage to the employer right now is that they don't have to pay them as much being they are illegal aliens. Unless they are working under the table they are already paying fica and local taxes so what is the difference? How is making them legal then going to encourage an employeer to continue operating in the U.S.? You're not making any sense here.

They aren't underrepresented regarding welfare when you figure how many are collecting welfare for their anchors. By legalizing them the adult illegal can then collect welfare for himself also. This will just increase our welfare recipiant numbers.
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Old 03-30-2010, 08:12 PM
 
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Amnesty and immigration reform are in the immideate agenda of our president, there are several repubican congressmen that are pushing for amnesty because their local economies are in such despair, and are hoping amnesty will jump start the economy....
You are out of touch with reality I'm afraid.
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Old 03-30-2010, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Amnesty and immigration reform are in the immideate agenda of our president, there are several repubican congressmen that are pushing for amnesty because their local economies are in such despair, and are hoping amnesty will jump start the economy....
There will be no mass amnesty: between the bad economy and us Americans becoming increasingly hostile towards illegal aliens as a group.

Just accept the fact the party is over for the DREAMies, etc. They need to return home like nice little children.
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Old 03-30-2010, 10:16 PM
 
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Regardless of how they attempt to sell this, I highly doubt that the American way of life would survive an amnesty. With family unification involved, we're ultimately looking at the creation of a low-skilled, largely illiterate voting block of 30 - 70 million workers. Effectively, this would destroy the middle class and possibly even American democracy with it, much in the same way that the Punic wars and resultant loss of the middle class permanently ended Rome's status as a republic.
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Old 03-30-2010, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I understand there is a small percentage of people that share your thoughts, however, the reality is that the migrant workers remained strong at work through this difficult times providing a reliable strong base to the economy, allowing many industries to continue operating, working side by side with some of the remaining proud hard working americans, ours is not a strongly socialist country, here you have to work if you want to have a decent way of living.
I am a well traveled person, and I must say that our migrant workers are the most effective by far compared to others; muslims in germany, africans in france or italy, to name a few.....
Funny; more and more people want those criminals (illegal aliens) out of the USA.

And illegal aliens are a net liability since they take more out of the economy than they put in---------especially educating their Anchor Babies. Needless to say: birthright citizenship needs to be rescinded unless at least one parent is a green card holder (preferably the mother).
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