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Old 04-11-2010, 04:35 PM
 
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I do not believe you at all------------especially in this vicious recession.

Note I live here in Arizona and have seen the dramatic dropoff of illegal aliens-----------judging by significantly fewer Spanish speaking Indians/Mestizos around here these days
Well there you have it.

PROOF there isn't much work available here in the US and no true sign of ANY recovery.
They're still going home......where there's more opportunity there, for them now.
And as soon as there ever really is an economic recovery here.....they'll be swimming back across the Rio and hightailing it across the desert in droves......once again.
Patiently awaiting their amnesty.
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Old 04-11-2010, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Well there you have it.

PROOF there isn't much work available here in the US and no true sign of ANY recovery.
They're still going home......where there's more opportunity there, for them now.
And as soon as there ever really is an economic recovery here.....they'll be swimming back across the Rio and hightailing it across the desert in droves......once again.
Patiently awaiting their amnesty.
Remember too that the USA is growing more conservative------which may/will nix any 'amnesty' ideas. Precedent has also been set in quite a few First World nations as in no more birthright citizenship which will cut off any future Anchor Babies, etc.
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Old 04-11-2010, 04:51 PM
 
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Remember too that the USA is growing more conservative------which may/will nix any 'amnesty' ideas. Precedent has also been set in quite a few First World nations as in no more birthright citizenship which will cut off any future Anchor Babies, etc.
I can only HOPE.....that you are right!
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Old 04-12-2010, 03:10 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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No one is taking jobs away from nobody, if you people were so right about the claims you have against migrant workers, there would be a national uprise against them. The reality is that the majority of us support amnesty
for many reasons. I came to this country and among others, anglos supported me, and I will always remember that, I have over the years employed anglos, some of them working effectively, others unfourtunately not so, for that reason I've employed mirant workers, and in all cases they have been resposible and loyal, none of them have participated in welfare programs, to call them criminals is just childish, and stupid.....

So you managed to pull the wool over some people's eyes. Good for you. Does that mean you are one of the Illegals we are talking about? I guess your ship is about ready to sell eh? Might want to liquidate some stuff. You do have an accountant that can spell right? I hate to see you taken advantage of.
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Old 04-12-2010, 03:12 PM
 
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Illegal workers and their families take more out in public services than the ONE worker per family pay in. Medicaid, WIC, free education, free school lunches, all add up.
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Old 04-12-2010, 03:16 PM
 
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No one is taking jobs away from nobody, if you people were so right about the claims you have against migrant workers, there would be a national uprise against them. The reality is that the majority of us support amnesty
for many reasons. I came to this country and among others, anglos supported me, and I will always remember that, I have over the years employed anglos, some of them working effectively, others unfourtunately not so, for that reason I've employed mirant workers, and in all cases they have been resposible and loyal, none of them have participated in welfare programs, to call them criminals is just childish, and stupid.....
I HIGHLY doubt you know the finances of EVERY worker you employed. Did you ask if their children received medicaid, WIC? Free public education, free lunches?

And YES, illegals take jobs from unemployed US workers. Construction, manual labor, hotel service are jobs that Americans WOULD do. Before illegals came and drove down wages, it was my parents and grandparents doing migrant work in the fields. People aren't falling for the lies, as many of us KNOW BETTER.
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Old 04-12-2010, 03:26 PM
 
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IMO, there's a "dirty little secret" that just about ALL of our elected national leaders won't tell us, which are these items:
- Though here illegally, the economic activity of 10-15M people is substantial and contributes to various tax collections (sales tax, gasoline tax, etc). This is a boost to most cities and states and no one wants to loose that income.
- The mantra of our nation, from Main Street to Wall Street, is that "growth is good" and with the birth rates here a lot lower than 50+ years ago, it's immigration (legal or not) that keeps things growing.
- Business interests of most sorts like the illegals for many reasons, most of these reasons are centered on their own greed, and behind the scenes political pressure and PAC money will be spent to maintain the status quo.
- Rounding up illegals, especially families with children, will appear heartless and cruel, subjecting politicians and our nation to ridicule.
- Back to the growth issue, the nation needs a large influx of young working people to keep the economy going strong. Primary emphasis for getting these illegals into a path to citizenship precisely is so they can pay into the Social Security and Medicare programs and keep these programs from going broke. This is a financial fact of life that really pushes Congress to ignore illegal immigration issues for the most part.

All that being said, look for Congress to enact two things: (1) some sort of path to citizenship; and (2) a major increase in the amount of LEGAL immigration that is allowed. To keep government solvent, new taxpayers have to be found, or taxes here will have to go way up to balance the budget and pay for our programs, as no president or congress is going to turn off Social Security and Medicare. Which alternative do you prefer?
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Old 04-12-2010, 03:35 PM
 
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Sigh. We HAVE plenty of young taxpayers. We cannot AFFORD to procreate more. Illegals use and ABUSE the systems we have in place, and this is why THEY can afford to have 5-8 kids each. This is something many of us in CA see every single day. It IS fact. Providing amnesty will only give MORE people MORE access to freebies.

Ronald Reagan allowed amnesty in 1985. It did NOTHING to help us. NOTHING.

People come to the US illegally for all of the subsidizies. It makes it easy for a young illegal family to come here and set up shop.
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Old 04-12-2010, 03:58 PM
 
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IMO, there's a "dirty little secret" that just about ALL of our elected national leaders won't tell us, which are these items:
- Though here illegally, the economic activity of 10-15M people is substantial and contributes to various tax collections (sales tax, gasoline tax, etc). This is a boost to most cities and states and no one wants to loose that income.

Their social costs are more than any taxes they pay in.


- The mantra of our nation, from Main Street to Wall Street, is that "growth is good" and with the birth rates here a lot lower than 50+ years ago, it's immigration (legal or not) that keeps things growing.

Lower birthrates are a good thing since we have over 300 million people in this country already.

- Business interests of most sorts like the illegals for many reasons, most of these reasons are centered on their own greed, and behind the scenes political pressure and PAC money will be spent to maintain the status quo.

On this we can agree but it can be stopped.

- Rounding up illegals, especially families with children, will appear heartless and cruel, subjecting politicians and our nation to ridicule.

No, need to round them up. We can make sure they self deport. Our sovereingty will no longer be a joke to the rest of the world. Nothing cruel about enforcing our immigration laws. The rest of the world does.

- Back to the growth issue, the nation needs a large influx of young working people to keep the economy going strong. Primary emphasis for getting these illegals into a path to citizenship precisely is so they can pay into the Social Security and Medicare programs and keep these programs from going broke. This is a financial fact of life that really pushes Congress to ignore illegal immigration issues for the most part.

We don't need anymore growth. Better to have a smaller economy to fit a smaller population. Who is going to support the SS and Medicare programs for the working young now when they get old? Do we continue to increase our population growth eternally for that reason in spite of our dwindling resources?

All that being said, look for Congress to enact two things: (1) some sort of path to citizenship; and (2) a major increase in the amount of LEGAL immigration that is allowed. To keep government solvent, new taxpayers have to be found, or taxes here will have to go way up to balance the budget and pay for our programs, as no president or congress is going to turn off Social Security and Medicare. Which alternative do you prefer?

They will be commiting political suicide with trying to pass anything that resembles amnesty or citizenship for these immigration violaters. The alternatives to increasing our population growth incessently for tax base purposes are to scale back our economy and to stabilize our population growth once and for all.
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Old 04-12-2010, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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IMO, there's a "dirty little secret" that just about ALL of our elected national leaders won't tell us, which are these items:
- Though here illegally, the economic activity of 10-15M people is substantial and contributes to various tax collections (sales tax, gasoline tax, etc). This is a boost to most cities and states and no one wants to loose that income.
- The mantra of our nation, from Main Street to Wall Street, is that "growth is good" and with the birth rates here a lot lower than 50+ years ago, it's immigration (legal or not) that keeps things growing.
- Business interests of most sorts like the illegals for many reasons, most of these reasons are centered on their own greed, and behind the scenes political pressure and PAC money will be spent to maintain the status quo.
- Rounding up illegals, especially families with children, will appear heartless and cruel, subjecting politicians and our nation to ridicule.
- Back to the growth issue, the nation needs a large influx of young working people to keep the economy going strong. Primary emphasis for getting these illegals into a path to citizenship precisely is so they can pay into the Social Security and Medicare programs and keep these programs from going broke. This is a financial fact of life that really pushes Congress to ignore illegal immigration issues for the most part.

All that being said, look for Congress to enact two things: (1) some sort of path to citizenship; and (2) a major increase in the amount of LEGAL immigration that is allowed. To keep government solvent, new taxpayers have to be found, or taxes here will have to go way up to balance the budget and pay for our programs, as no president or congress is going to turn off Social Security and Medicare. Which alternative do you prefer?
Where do you get this BS? Your missing the fact that once the Illegals become citizens, their useless
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