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Old 04-16-2010, 09:20 AM
 
Location: The State Line
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There are several reasons for the delay, among them being:

1. Corporate use of slave labor--big business owns the government and they're not about to assist in the loss of labor which allows them to pad their bottom line.
2. Fear of being perceived as politically incorrect if we actually enforce our laws.

If there were massive penalties for the hiring of illegal aliens, then there would be forced cooperation among employers. Voila! No jobs--no illegal aliens.
Still not that simple.

Even with capital punishment people still perform the most obscene offenses. The Gov't can only enforce the laws, but only the people can choose to listen. Your hope is that they listen, but it the end, penalty or not, they have the choice. No one can change the mind of everyone.
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Old 04-16-2010, 09:35 AM
 
Location: ...at a 3AM epiphany
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Still not that simple.

Even with capital punishment people still perform the most obscene offenses. The Gov't can only enforce the laws, but only the people can choose to listen. Your hope is that they listen, but it the end, penalty or not, they have the choice. No one can change the mind of everyone.
As we have seen with the obscene influx of illegal aliens today. They know most Americans do not want them here and yet they keep coming. Securing our borders and taking away any monetary incentives will curb not only entrance but most will leave. Rescinding the birthright clause will make a huge impact for sure.
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Old 04-16-2010, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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If all of the illegals vanished, the sun would still come up tomorrow, and our nation will survive just fine, because we will have regained some of our lost esteem. Confidence can energize even the most dejected US citizen.
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Old 04-16-2010, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Still not that simple.

Even with capital punishment people still perform the most obscene offenses. The Gov't can only enforce the laws, but only the people can choose to listen. Your hope is that they listen, but it the end, penalty or not, they have the choice. No one can change the mind of everyone.
And the odds are much less that criminals will commit vicious crimes with the threat and likelyhood of severe punishment against them.

Back to illegal aliens: if the odds grew that they were intercepted/deported.........fewer would attempt to hop the fence.
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Old 04-16-2010, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Still not that simple.

Even with capital punishment people still perform the most obscene offenses. The Gov't can only enforce the laws, but only the people can choose to listen. Your hope is that they listen, but it the end, penalty or not, they have the choice. No one can change the mind of everyone.
Starvation is a very strong motivator. If illegals canít work, and canít receive handouts, they also canít eat. Do you actually believe they would remain in this country under those circumstances?
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Old 04-16-2010, 11:25 AM
 
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Still not that simple.

Even with capital punishment people still perform the most obscene offenses. The Gov't can only enforce the laws, but only the people can choose to listen. Your hope is that they listen, but it the end, penalty or not, they have the choice. No one can change the mind of everyone.
Yes but it is a deterrant for most and that is the point. No crimes can be eliminated completely but you do what you can to reduce the possibility of them happening.
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Old 04-16-2010, 03:35 PM
 
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E-Verify
Demand proof of legal residency here in the USA before any sort of benefits are dispensed (WIC, etc.)
Deny birthright citizenship for Anchor Babies
the wheels of justice grind slowly:
H.R. 1868: Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009 (GovTrack.us)

people need to contact their representatives and move this bill along.


vote them out if they refuse.
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Old 04-16-2010, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma(formerly SoCalif) Originally Mich,
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the wheels of justice grind slowly:
H.R. 1868: Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009 (GovTrack.us)

people need to contact their representatives and move this bill along.


vote them out if they refuse.
On it!..
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Old 04-16-2010, 09:48 PM
 
Location: ...at a 3AM epiphany
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On it!..
I seriously cannot figure how this thread keeps going. Amnesty is ridiculous. We know it, they know it. But their politics are running thin, everyone knows thats true too..
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Old 04-18-2010, 03:21 PM
 
Location: east of my daughter-north of my son
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I for one am tired of seeing jobs go to the illegals. We have many Mexicans in our area. They used to work the farms but when those closed down they went into the construction area. Now those jobs are gone. But I still see them working.

A city near me where I work got stimulus money to repave most of their main and side streets. But even before the city was trying to work on the roads. All the workers except what looks like a boss and those that run the big equipment are Mexicans.

Obviously the city asks for bids and the lowest bid wins. But they seem to only employ the illegals. I assume because they get hard work from them for a crap salary.

All that does is show me contractors could give a hoot about citizens without jobs. They just want to make the big bucks.

So either businesses and contractors need to stop hiring them or they need to be sent home. That's the only way I see citizens going back to work.
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