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Old 02-22-2010, 11:22 PM
 
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The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR): English Learners and Immigration: A Case Study of Prince George's County, Maryland (http://www.fairus.org/site/News2/491402466?page=NewsArticle&id=21951&security=1601& news_iv_ctrl=1761 - broken link)

Here is another article regarding English Learners. I truly did not know there was such terminology. I've certainly learned today.
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Old 02-23-2010, 05:11 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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interesting. very interesting. they probably do this because the population of foreigners [and their EL kids] is so small.

and i wouldnt blame illegals. its an immigrant thing. there are many immigrants, legal ones, who still struggle with english. its an evolutionary process. english development does not occur over night.

It is hardly because the population is small, it's because they are being allowed to bus their kids 40 miles across town each day on the tax payers dime. The only reason it isn't worse is because they have to choice them in which is the last barricade of turning the schools in areas like La Jolla into the schools in the barrios and hoods. The school actually gets some say in who gets enrollment.

It feels so good to struggle your entire life to get a decent job, a house not in a cra**y area and one that is safe.

It's quite another to know some woman can jog across the border, enter a ER, have a kid which I pay for then see that same kid get bussed into my school to drag the learning rate down. Makes one feel so warm and fuzzy.
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Old 02-23-2010, 08:36 PM
 
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Good! If someone is here in this country whether they be here legally or illegally they shouldn't expect to be accomodated in their native language either in the government sector or in our schools paid for by the taxpayer.
My brother was classified as an EL when he was younger...then he went to West Point and became a capitain in the army. I think you may have a poor grasp of the non-American experience...
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Old 02-23-2010, 08:39 PM
 
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Unfortunately, immersion only doesn't work. My dad has taught immersion only classes, he stated that he felt it was a major disservice. You need to have a foundation before you go head in.
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Old 02-23-2010, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Unfortunately, immersion only doesn't work. My dad has taught immersion only classes, he stated that he felt it was a major disservice. You need to have a foundation before you go head in.
Frankly: English immersion would be a dandy way to force out many aliens----------legal or not. It needs to be tough to become an American; such practices would weed out those immigrants who are not serious about assimilating.
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Old 02-23-2010, 09:40 PM
 
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English immersion vs Bi-lingual education. English immersion is what works.
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Old 02-23-2010, 09:51 PM
 
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Frankly: English immersion would be a dandy way to force out many aliens----------legal or not. It needs to be tough to become an American; such practices would weed out those immigrants who are not serious about assimilating.
Nope. Also to Chinut, I'd rather go with people that have ACTUALLY taught immersion and served on boards on how to teach ESL at the UC system...no offense. I prefer getting GOOD knowledge of the sitatuion, rather than speculation and solely Google searching and ending up with a business report...
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Old 02-23-2010, 10:13 PM
 
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An exerpt from the article:

A review of 300 "studies" of bilingual education by federal researchers found only 72 that were methodologically sound. Of those studies, 83 percent comparing bilingual education to immersion found that kids learned to read better through immersion. Not a single study found the reverse.
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Old 02-24-2010, 12:38 AM
 
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A review of 300 "studies" of bilingual education by federal researchers found only 72 that were methodologically sound. Of those studies, 83 percent comparing bilingual education to immersion found that kids learned to read better through immersion. Not a single study found the reverse.
Umm...again rather go with program directors from UC Riverside Extension Center...they might have a good clue rather than the non-academic newspaper that you googled.
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Old 02-24-2010, 12:40 AM
 
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A review of 300 "studies" of bilingual education by federal researchers found only 72 that were methodologically sound. Of those studies, 83 percent comparing bilingual education to immersion found that kids learned to read better through immersion. Not a single study found the reverse.
Not to mention what level proficiency were the immersion students. If they were taught first the basics, this is VERY different. So again, it really doesn't prove much (since the parameters aren't set).
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