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Old 02-27-2010, 09:22 AM
 
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Everybody immigrated from somewhere, unless you are native american.

How are you goning to deport all so-called illegals anyway?
You gonna get a ship and send the Chinese back to China?
What about the Europeans who enter the country illegally?
How you gonna round them up?

No offense but, seems like it's just a "certain group" of people who are afraid and/or intimidated by people coming here to make a life for themselves.
Sometimes they can't afford to purchase the required documents until they can earn enough money to do so.
Live and let live. Focus some of that negative energy on global warming or feeding the homeless....something positive.
You need to learn the English definition of the word "immigrant".

I'm not an immigrant, my parents and grandparents were not immigrants. Immigration means you were from some other country, left it to come to another country.

Yes, all illegals whether they are from China, Europe, Mexico need to go home.

Like it or not, the USA cannot be the only nation on earth with no immigration laws, and our laws are far easier than Mexico's immigration laws.
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Old 02-27-2010, 09:28 AM
 
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We can stop "illegal immigration" by going over to South America and helping them irradiate crime, poverty and gangs. Also, the corrupt officials and families who terrorize their own people should all be lined up and shot.

See, Mexicans only come to the states to find a better way to live. If we can improve their standard of living, then it would be no need for them to come here. Heck, in a way, they really don't want to come here because if you take out the criminal element, they live in paradise because of the nice beaches and good weather; that's why many talk about going back to Mexico to retire; if they can.
If *we* can improve their standard of living??? How about they improve their standard of living?

We cannot. We are here in this country and we cannot vote in Mexican elections, we can't change their laws, we can't change their mindsets. We can't force their children to go to the public schools Mexico offers -- and contrary to what many claim, Mexico has a public school system. We can't make them stop having children they can't afford and at very young ages. We can't stop them from having 12 children when they could afford only 1 or 2.

It's really up to the people of Mexico to reform their country if they are unhappy with it, it's not really up to us and Mexican law forbids foreigners from getting involved in their political process.

What we are doing which doesn't help is making it very easy for them to fail to work for reforms and changes in their own country by enticing them to come here and live off welfare or work for low wages here or a combination of both. It's easier to head on over to the USA than work to improve their own villages and towns, or improve their education, or families.
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Old 02-27-2010, 09:59 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Originally Posted by Yvetta View Post
Everybody immigrated from somewhere, unless you are native american.

How are you goning to deport all so-called illegals anyway?
You gonna get a ship and send the Chinese back to China?
What about the Europeans who enter the country illegally?
How you gonna round them up?

No offense but, seems like it's just a "certain group" of people who are afraid and/or intimidated by people coming here to make a life for themselves.
Sometimes they can't afford to purchase the required documents until they can earn enough money to do so.
Live and let live. Focus some of that negative energy on global warming or feeding the homeless....something positive.
Live and let live...ha!

Then you use your tax dollars to support them. I'm tapped out.

Cut off benefits and remove job opportunities.

Voila! Self-deportation.
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Old 02-27-2010, 04:52 PM
 
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How about they improve their standard of living? .
The poor people can't because they are out guned. A bunch of farmers can't put up a fight against thugs with AK 47 and AR-15. BTW, who is selling guns to the thugs?

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We cannot. We are here in this country and we cannot vote in Mexican elections, we can't change their laws, we can't change their mindsets. We can't force their children to go to the public schools Mexico offers -- and contrary to what many claim, Mexico has a public school system.

It's really up to the people of Mexico to reform their country if they are unhappy with it, it's not really up to us and Mexican law forbids foreigners from getting involved in their political process.

What we are doing which doesn't help is making it very easy for them to fail to work for reforms and changes in their own country by enticing them to come here and live off welfare or work for low wages here or a combination of both. It's easier to head on over to the USA than work to improve their own villages and towns, or improve their education, or families.

But the U.S has invaded various countries around the world, and destroyed their indigenous political structure along the way, only to then resurrect U.S political puppets out of the ashes (e.g Pol Pot,Saddam Hussein). So why can't we do this in Mexico, but only for a good cause, since they are our neighbor?

I will tell you why, because the United States does better off with Mexico in chaos because the drug trade is able to flourish, arms dealing is able to flourish, and cheap labor from displaced farmers out of work are able to be exploited by companies like Tyson foods, and "American" Appreal.


Regardless, your indifferent attitude towards your own neighbors well being is exactly why people from other countries hate Americans. Americans only care about their way of life, irrespective of whatever else is going on around them. The crime is very serious over there (Ciudad Juarez killings)and it's wrong to turn a blind eye to all the madness. Really, I'm just baffled that Americans have not given any outcry to the hundreds of little girls that were brutally raped, tortured, and killed not too far from the New Mexico boarder since the early 1990's!

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We can't make them stop having children they can't afford and at very young ages. We can't stop them from having 12 children when they could afford only 1 or 2..

It's a scientific fact that people who are impoverished and uneducated tend to have more children. Having multiple children is a "poor mans retirement" because you get extra hands to help out with general labor and you then get extra help to take care of you into old age.
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Old 02-27-2010, 05:05 PM
 
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Yes, all illegals whether they are from China, Europe, Mexico need to go home.
Other then Native Americans, the Mexicans are the next thing in line, as far as, being indigenous to North Amercian soil. I say so because before the Aztecs and the Mayans even formed into a civilization, that bloodline was MUCH further north, as in, parts of the south west of North America.
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Old 02-27-2010, 06:22 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Other then Native Americans, the Mexicans are the next thing in line, as far as, being indigenous to North Amercian soil. I say so because before the Aztecs and the Mayans even formed into a civilization, that bloodline was MUCH further north, as in, parts of the south west of North America.
Uh no.

No one is indigenous to North America. In fact, no one is indigenous to ANY continent except Africa. Native Americans migrated to this continent just like everyone else.

Additionally, the word "Mexican" itself encompasses not only aboriginal Mesoamericans, but those of mixed European and aboriginal blood, and those of pure European blood as well. So, of whom do you speak? The world "Mexican" is no more specific than the word "American."

As far as the rest of your post, my father-in-law was one of the foremost Mesoamerican archaeologists in the world up until his death in 2007. Our dinner table conversations were extremely intellectually enlightening. Although my own archaeological specialty is in Plains Paleoindian archaeology, I know more about the Mesoamerican tribes and the peopling of that area than most who study it today.

I can assure you that the Aztecs never came any further north than present day Mexico City. The Mayan Empire stretched only as far north as the present day Mexican state of Tabasco. The majority of the Mayan Empire encompassed Belize, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador and the five Mexican states of Tabasco, Chiapas, Campeche, Yucatan and Quintana Roo.

Their predecessors were barred from traveling freely across the continent due to this tiny little environmental barrier called the Sonoran Desert...ever heard of it? Toward the end of the Younger Dryas stadial, when the glacial caps began to again recede, the southwestern modern day U.S. and the northern part of modern day Mexico lost the weather patterns which had previously brought moisture to these areas, subsequently becoming desert.

All of this occurred 12,800 to 11,500 years ago B.P. The end of this period, one which archaeologists refer to as the "mini ice age" saw the end of the Pleistocene mega fauna and the disappearance of the Clovis culture. When you consider the fact that human beings are very recent to the North American continent, the last continent to be populated by Homo sapien sapien, it becomes obvious that those who migrated to modern day Mexico kept right on going down toward Tierra del Fuego in Argentina where we have found evidence of human occupation dating back 14,000 years, older than anything yet found in modern day Mesoamerica.

Furthermore, most scholarship now gives less weight to the land bridge theory and more credence to the multiple migration, land/water theory. The ancestors of those aboriginal people now living in modern day Meso and South America need not have ever stepped foot in modern day North America.

It would behoove you to do a little research before you make blanket statements regarding the peopling of the New World. The resident archaeologist knows a little something about the subject and will spank your hand if you get it wrong--so consider yourself spanked.
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Old 02-27-2010, 06:32 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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The poor people can't because they are out guned. A bunch of farmers can't put up a fight against thugs with AK 47 and AR-15. BTW, who is selling guns to the thugs?

But the U.S has invaded various countries around the world, and destroyed their indigenous political structure along the way, only to then resurrect U.S political puppets out of the ashes (e.g Pol Pot,Saddam Hussein). So why can't we do this in Mexico, but only for a good cause, since they are our neighbor?

I will tell you why, because the United States does better off with Mexico in chaos because the drug trade is able to flourish, arms dealing is able to flourish, and cheap labor from displaced farmers out of work are able to be exploited by companies like Tyson foods, and "American" Appreal.

Regardless, your indifferent attitude towards your own neighbors well being is exactly why people from other countries hate Americans. Americans only care about their way of life, irrespective of whatever else is going on around them. The crime is very serious over there (Ciudad Juarez killings)and it's wrong to turn a blind eye to all the madness. Really, I'm just baffled that Americans have not given any outcry to the hundreds of little girls that were brutally raped, tortured, and killed not too far from the New Mexico boarder since the early 1990's!
Exactly what are you proposing? Should we send our military to fight the drug cartels in Mexico? Are you suggesting we enter yet another war and have our soldiers decapitated and mutilated by these vicious monsters?

We may share a border with Mexico, but they are certainly not what I consider to be a good neighbor. Chaos is worldwide, and people are being raped, murdered, and tortured in diverse places. Should we send our troops into every region of the world in conflict, or wherever atrocities occur? We donít have infinite military manpower or resources.
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Old 02-27-2010, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Uh no.

No one is indigenous to North America. In fact, no one is indigenous to ANY continent except Africa. Native Americans migrated to this continent just like everyone else.

Additionally, the word "Mexican" itself encompasses not only aboriginal Mesoamericans, but those of mixed European and aboriginal blood, and those of pure European blood as well. So, of whom do you speak? The world "Mexican" is no more specific than the word "American."

As far as the rest of your post, my father-in-law was one of the foremost Mesoamerican archaeologists in the world up until his death in 2007. Our dinner table conversations were extremely intellectually enlightening. Although my own archaeological specialty is in Plains Paleoindian archaeology, I know more about the Mesoamerican tribes and the peopling of that area than most who study it today.

I can assure you that the Aztecs never came any further north than present day Mexico City. The Mayan Empire stretched only as far north as the present day Mexican state of Tabasco. The majority of the Mayan Empire encompassed Belize, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador and the five Mexican states of Tabasco, Chiapas, Campeche, Yucatan and Quintana Roo.

Their predecessors were barred from traveling freely across the continent due to this tiny little environmental barrier called the Sonoran Desert...ever heard of it? Toward the end of the Younger Dryas stadial, when the glacial caps began to again recede, the southwestern modern day U.S. and the northern part of modern day Mexico lost the weather patterns which had previously brought moisture to these areas, subsequently becoming desert.

All of this occurred 12,800 to 11,500 years ago B.P. The end of this period, one which archaeologists refer to as the "mini ice age" saw the end of the Pleistocene mega fauna and the disappearance of the Clovis culture. When you consider the fact that human beings are very recent to the North American continent, the last continent to be populated by Homo sapien sapien, it becomes obvious that those who migrated to modern day Mexico kept right on going down toward Tierra del Fuego in Argentina where we have found evidence of human occupation dating back 14,000 years, older than anything yet found in modern day Mesoamerica.

Furthermore, most scholarship now gives less weight to the land bridge theory and more credence to the multiple migration, land/water theory. The ancestors of those aboriginal people now living in modern day Meso and South America need not have ever stepped foot in modern day North America.

It would behoove you to do a little research before you make blanket statements regarding the peopling of the New World. The resident archaeologist knows a little something about the subject and will spank your hand if you get it wrong--so consider yourself spanked.
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