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Old 02-25-2010, 01:48 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Is that why illegal immigration is rising again?
It appears not to be rising but shifting. It's a big shell game that at least keeps the Illegals moving. Let's put it this way, if CA did what AZ did Nevada residents would freak out.
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Old 02-25-2010, 02:25 PM
 
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It appears not to be rising but shifting. It's a big shell game that at least keeps the Illegals moving. Let's put it this way, if CA did what AZ did Nevada residents would freak out.
The rise I stated was in reference to an article posting gains in GA, not across the nation. However, it is possible that unemployment rates and forclosure rates may have a significant impact on how many illegal immigrants there are.

In 2009, AZ had the second highest forclosure rate in the nation. Since '07 its forclosure rating was climbing SIGNFICANTLY faster than in GA (115% increase from 06 in AZ compared to 31% in GA). AZ and GA currently have roughly the same unemployment rates. However, as some economists have pointed out that the current plateau in unemployment is also due to increased population of those no longer seeking employment (the chronically unemployed has risen). Given the faster forclosures in AZ, compared to GA, it is plausible to assume that there are more chronically unemployed in AZ (makes sense since more forclosures means less money, which may indicate an end of benefits as well, or at the very least the inablity to gain any employment). AZ is slightly cheaper than GA...so it's not the cost of living that is contributing to the forclosure rate, part of the reason why I state that AZ could have a higher chronically unemployed rate.

CA experienced a decline in illegal immigration as well. The population, according to CIS, has declined slightly. This decline coincides with the current economic situation. So while enforcement may be a factor, an equally important factor...it seems is economic in nature. The fact that Arizona still has a significant illegal population is testament to the fact that it's not wholly enforcement. Construction jobs, accounting for nearly 10% of the state's workforce, dropped significantly. Some estimates claim that 20-30% of construction is comprised of illegal immigrants. Thus, heavily concentrated industries, such as construction, may lure illegal immigrants to the region. AZ was one of the fastest growing states in the union, so once a mainstay of its economy fell a portion of the population left. Seeing how many have lived there for a LONG time and have roots, essentially, there, a MAJORITY will not leave. The longer a person stays in a place, the less likely they will move. I think we are seeing all these factors in AZ and the net migration to GA.
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Old 02-25-2010, 05:01 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Unfortunately a large part of the remaining ones are probably the ones using the 14th loophole and or fake documents to obtain social services. We'll see in years to come if more move out or not once their savings dry up.
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Old 02-25-2010, 05:37 PM
 
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Unfortunately a large part of the remaining ones are probably the ones using the 14th loophole and or fake documents to obtain social services. We'll see in years to come if more move out or not once their savings dry up.
The VAST majority stayed. I don't think it's because of loopholes or even ability to obtain social services...
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Old 02-26-2010, 11:37 AM
 
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The VAST majority stayed. I don't think it's because of loopholes or even ability to obtain social services...
How long do you think the average person can go without working? It ain't a year that's for sure.
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Old 02-26-2010, 11:49 AM
 
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How long do you think the average person can go without working? It ain't a year that's for sure.
Exactly, and since the illegals are known for being such hard workers they not only wouldn't be able to provide for themselves but they would get bored, wouldn't they? There are only so many jobs available to be paid under the table.
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Old 02-26-2010, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Exactly, and since the illegals are known for being such hard workers they not only wouldn't be able to provide for themselves but they would get bored, wouldn't they? There are only so many jobs available to be paid under the table.
Thankfully alot of them have stolen IDs that can bypass e-verify.
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Old 02-26-2010, 02:56 PM
 
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Thankfully alot of them have stolen IDs that can bypass e-verify.
It's been wowrking for those criminals this long! E-Verify is what we have, they should mandate it and tweek as necessary..too bad amnesty will not even be a thought until it is close to 100%.
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Old 02-26-2010, 03:13 PM
 
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Thankfully alot of them have stolen IDs that can bypass e-verify.
Thankfully??
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Old 02-26-2010, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Thankfully??
Sorry, forgot to use sarcasm face.
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