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Old 06-03-2007, 12:07 PM
 
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Remember these people lost their native Indian languages and had Spanish (and English and French) shoved on them by colonizers hundreds of years ago. We have two main languages in the US now, official or not. In a perfect world everyone should learn the language of the country they move to, but "should" and reality often clash.



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Yes the American culture is spreading to other countries. They are soaking it up as fast as they can. The difference is they want, McDonalds, Coca-Cola and anything American. They learn English in order to compete. America is not invading these countries we offer our goods and if they want them they can have them.

No American should have to speak other languages to compete in America. On the other hand if an American wants to compete in another country they would have to learn the local language to compete.

You fail to understand the real problem. If masses of Americans started to sneak into these countries and stay then demand, free health care, pay little or no tax, free education, have law breaking over looked or ignored I guarantee they wouldnít put up with it.

Your stupid attempt to compare apples to oranges is typical the American hating, socialist left that is trying to tear down America.
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Old 06-03-2007, 12:10 PM
 
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Yes the American culture is spreading to other countries. They are soaking it up as fast as they can. The difference is they want, McDonalds, Coca-Cola and anything American. They learn English in order to compete. America is not invading these countries we offer our goods and if they want them they can have them.

No American should have to speak other languages to compete in America. On the other hand if an American wants to compete in another country they would have to learn the local language to compete.

You fail to understand the real problem. If masses of Americans started to sneak into these countries and stay then demand, free health care, pay little or no tax, free education, have law breaking over looked or ignored I guarantee they wouldnít put up with it.

Your stupid attempt to compare apples to oranges is typical the American hating, socialist left that is trying to tear down America.
You said it all Red!! There is a reason people are flocking to this country in droves not the reverse and we need to preserve that, in the words of the greatest president of this century, America is that shining city on the hill!!
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Old 06-03-2007, 12:15 PM
 
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is typical of the American hating, socialist left that is trying to tear down America.


Not quite, Chief.......
You guys are doing a stellar job of tearing down Amerika ~
Your version of the KGB is waaay better than ours.
Theres nothing we could improve on ......
We are just waiting it out 'til its time to rebuild.
Thanks for all of your help in furthering our agenda .

большой день, Komrade
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Old 06-03-2007, 12:15 PM
 
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Yes the American culture is spreading to other countries. They are soaking it up as fast as they can. The difference is they want, McDonalds, Coca-Cola and anything American. They learn English in order to compete. America is not invading these countries we offer our goods and if they want them they can have them.

No American should have to speak other languages to compete in America. On the other hand if an American wants to compete in another country they would have to learn the local language to compete.

You fail to understand the real problem. If masses of Americans started to sneak into these countries and stay then demand, free health care, pay little or no tax, free education, have law breaking over looked or ignored I guarantee they wouldn’t put up with it.

Your <snip> attempt to compare apples to oranges is typical the American hating, socialist left that is trying to tear down America.
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As for demanding free health care, paying little or no taxes, and free education---those are the characteristics of ILLEGAL immigrants. The rest of us pretty much work with the system and pay our 401k, social security, and health care like any other hard-working citizen. And as for having to learn the language to compete, care to tell me why English is being enforced as a second language in many non-caucasian countries? Finally, how ignorant of you to think that all foreign countries WANT American services. If you had any knowledge on the issue, you would know that India has taken great measures to try to prevent Coca-Cola from establishing itself in the country. And on the flip side, what makes you think Americans DON'T want the services of foreigners? Have you ever practiced yoga? Have you ever bought anything at Home Depot and needed a hand to help you carry things? Have ever gone to a Japanese Steakhouse? These are all the services provided by foreigners that Americans too seek.

Again, perhaps you should realize what you are saying before you stick your head in a pile of sand and yell "LA LALA YOU'RE STOOPID AND I AM NOOOT!" on an issue you simply feel passionate about. Such a disgrace and wonderful example of American ignorance and elitism at its best.

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Old 06-03-2007, 12:26 PM
 
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Remember these people lost their native Indian languages and had Spanish (and English and French) shoved on them by colonizers hundreds of years ago. We have two main languages in the US now, official or not. In a perfect world everyone should learn the language of the country they move to, but "should" and reality often clash.
These people? Are you saying all Mexicans are the direct descendants of American Indians? Iíll bet there are many American Indians that would dispute this and be very insulted.
I live in the now not hundreds of years ago. I could care less what happened then. I care about what is happening to my American culture now and Iím not about to lay down and give in.
We have ONE official language and that is ENGLISH.
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Old 06-03-2007, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Penobscot Bay, the best place in Maine!
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No American should have to speak other languages to compete in America.
. You are right. We should all be speaking in Native American languages, as the first Americans did. I know a little Miqmak, have heard a little Passamaquoddy, Penobscot, and Maliseet, but I'd have to learn most of the languages of the Americans in the south, central, and western areas of the USA.

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On the other hand if an American wants to compete in another country they would have to learn the local language to compete.
Do you know how many Americans go to other countries and get ticked because the people don't speak English or serve ketchup, or whatever American custom they are used to- In another country/culture- they still that the American Way should be default of any other culture! Most Europeans hate to see American tourists coming because of that very reason- Americans expect that the whole world should be like America. I'm not talking about respectfully pointing out the differences in culture, either- I'm talking about outright rudeness in putting non-American people and traditions down.



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You fail to understand the real problem. If masses of Americans started to sneak into these countries and stay then demand, free health care, pay little or no tax, free education, have law breaking over looked or ignored I guarantee they wouldnít put up with it.
I didn't think we were talking about illegal immigrants, per se, but thanks for that huge jump off-topic. It brings with a question or two.
Do you equate all immigrants, illegal or not, as leaches to the American culture? Do you think they should disavow their heritage and culture when they become US citizens?
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Old 06-03-2007, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Penobscot Bay, the best place in Maine!
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We have ONE official language and that is ENGLISH.
Actually, the USA does not have an official language, and therefore English is not it.
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Old 06-03-2007, 12:31 PM
 
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Red propaganda ?
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Old 06-03-2007, 04:35 PM
 
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Well, I am talking about indigenous peoples who were colonized and had their languages replaced with European ones, whether here, or in Latin America or elsewhere. What I am saying is that cultures are by their nature in a state of flux--people move from one area to another and change the area they move to. America has only existed for a few hundred years, during which French and Spanish and Indian languages were predominant in many regions. What makes you think English is the final endpoint in history, instead of just another phase? If Latinos (or any other group) establish a majority in a city and decide to conduct business in their own language, there is really nothing you can do about that--so far that isn't illegal.



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These people? Are you saying all Mexicans are the direct descendants of American Indians? Iíll bet there are many American Indians that would dispute this and be very insulted.
I live in the now not hundreds of years ago. I could care less what happened then. I care about what is happening to my American culture now and Iím not about to lay down and give in.
We have ONE official language and that is ENGLISH.
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Old 06-03-2007, 05:02 PM
 
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Are these business coming into the aforementiond countries illegally or rather as as "undocumented" businesses? If so, then I would understand the so-called "invaded" country wanting to do what's right for itself and it's legal citizens and have a system in place to manage entry into their country.

As far as English being learned, if that's what another country feels is in their best interests as far as their citizen's / nation's growth, wealth and overall well being are concerned, then I applaud their leaders for their efforts. That's what good, effective do.


Many, many more Americans do not complain about taco stands, and Cinco de Mayo celebrations.

They do complain about people entering this country illegally and what seems to be a shortsighted view (i.e. potential votes with amnesty or cheap labor) on whether our current methods of not protecting our border are in the U.S.'s best interests. Nothing hypocritical about that.

Cultural influence doesn't invade. It may be offered and examined by potential customers and that's about it. If that's what the people want to spend their money on, so be it. Don't like McDs? Don't frequent the store. Prefer deep, meaningful movies with sublety, nuance and high snooze factor? Rent a French film and stay away from Mirax, Disney etc.
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