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Old 06-04-2007, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Far Western KY
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See. this is why I really resent this thread being moved to the immigration forum. My thread had NOTHING, NO MENTION of illegal immigrants at all and most of the people in the politics forum understood that. I AM talking about legal immigration and I AM talking about those people who resent the changes like China Town, Little Italy, etc.
There are plenty of counties that are resentful of American culture being imported into theirs, France has even passed laws against it, so how can it be hypocrisy? Because Americans as a rule do not immigrate to other countries in mass numbers. Americans tend to stay in America and everyone else comes here ... why? Because we're the greatest country in the world, even with all our flaws and shortcomings they're few places, if any most would rather be. That's not chest thumping thats factual information.
Nearly all American culture is exported via Hollywood or Industry very little is from citizens.
It's worth noting that many countries ban or require heavy edits to films and shows to fit into there culture and to avoid the influx of American culture. Same goes for industry, some changes have to be made in business practices to fit into their culture ...

So what's different? Americans want America to be America, just as the French want France to be France, or the Chinese want China to be China ... I see no Hypocrisy I only see a sovereign nation protecting it's heritage.
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Old 06-04-2007, 03:44 PM
 
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Observation 1:

American culture is spreading to the rest of the world. More and more McDonald's are popping up in obscure places such as a tiny city in China or a small town-village in India. Coca-cola is being consumed as a worldwide drink. English is being learned as a second language in many non-English speaking countries as well.

Observation 2:

Many Americans complain about the invasion of the "American culture" with foreign influence such as taco stands, integrating Spanish into a lot of American services, and Cinco de Mayo celebrations on the city streets.


Does this mean its okay for Americans to invade other countries but not okay when a possibly equally strong (or stronger) cultural influence invade our own? Is that not hipocrisy?

It's not hipocrisy. Is human behavior. And the easiest way to explain it is with this question: You have a cheetah, a Hiena and a Deer. The cheetah wants to hunt either the Hiena or the Deer. But the Hiena does not want to be hunted by the Cheetah; he refuses and escape; when he feels safe, he goes back and try to hunt the Deer. Is that Hipocrisy?? NO. It is Animal instinct. Survival of the best. In our civilized world, we survive with money. Money talks. However, our behavior is similar to animals. We try to colonize those weak countries where we smell prosperity and at the same time they try to colonize us, consuming our resources.

I am not saying you're wrong. You are right, it is like that. I just wouldn't use the word hipocrisy. I support my country in our world economic expansion. Protecting foreign cultures, is the interest of each country. Protecting my culture, is my interest. If other countries think that maybe having McDonald's everywhere will create more jobs and give easier access to food for the people, then maybe that's why they don't stop us. However in our case, we are losing with this so called "diversity" wich IS NOT DIVERSITY. Real diversity is not imposing a totally different country inside a country. Diversity is melting a culture with another to create one bigger and stronger.
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Old 06-04-2007, 03:45 PM
 
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The name of the forum is Immigration, not Illegal Immigration.
The original point of the thread was cultural shift, not immigration. Its fine though, whatever, you're the moderator and its not like I can move the thread back.
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Old 06-04-2007, 10:31 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
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Observation 1:

American culture is spreading to the rest of the world. More and more McDonald's are popping up in obscure places such as a tiny city in China or a small town-village in India. Coca-cola is being consumed as a worldwide drink. English is being learned as a second language in many non-English speaking countries as well.

Observation 2:

Many Americans complain about the invasion of the "American culture" with foreign influence such as taco stands, integrating Spanish into a lot of American services, and Cinco de Mayo celebrations on the city streets.


Does this mean its okay for Americans to invade other countries but not okay when a possibly equally strong (or stronger) cultural influence invade our own? Is that not hipocrisy?
No, its not okay at all.
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Old 06-05-2007, 06:06 AM
 
Location: SW Kansas
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McDonald's has not changed a culture? Tell that to the rice-eating Chinese kid or the Sushi-eating Japanese kid that's never seen a burger before McDonald's invaded. If you read international news at all, you'll see that the obesity rate for both those countries are rising at a rate that is alarming government and health officials. And McDonald's is NOT welcomed in France and Coca Cola is NOT welcomed in India. Do your research. As for providing employment for the countries they go to, this may be true but that still changes their CULTURE nonetheless. The sweatshops (characteristics of Western civilization) that helped boost the economy in Hong Kong greatly changed the flavor of the area from a small, rural fisherman's village to the booming world economic presence it is today. Not immediately, but definitely slowly and now the area reaps those benefits AND is more western than many other "eastern" influenced places. As for Target changing our culture, like heck it hasn't?! It is the prime destination many college students as well as first apartment renters go to for their shopping/home decor needs!
How about this? Have you considered the role TELEVISION has played on changing cultures?
Culture - The act of developing by education and training. Refinement of intellectual and artistic taste. A particular form or stage of civilizaton. Society characterized by such a culture.
Where in the definition of Culture do you see any mention of shopping habits, or product preference?
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Old 06-10-2007, 07:08 AM
 
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If we're really concened about what we're exporting to other countries maybe we should forget about food and see if their parents are allowing their children to adopt celebrity skank worship or singing along to tunes about cop killas, bit***s, and hos. That will really bring down a civilized society.
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Old 06-10-2007, 08:45 AM
 
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Yes the American culture is spreading to other countries. They are soaking it up as fast as they can. The difference is they want, McDonalds, Coca-Cola and anything American. They learn English in order to compete. America is not invading these countries we offer our goods and if they want them they can have them.

No American should have to speak other languages to compete in America. On the other hand if an American wants to compete in another country they would have to learn the local language to compete.

You fail to understand the real problem. If masses of Americans started to sneak into these countries and stay then demand, free health care, pay little or no tax, free education, have law breaking over looked or ignored I guarantee they wouldn’t put up with it.

Your <snip> attempt to compare apples to oranges is typical of the American hating, socialist left that is trying to tear down America.
Great post! Right on the money.
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Old 06-10-2007, 09:08 AM
 
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People i.e. taxpayers are sick of this country being overrun with illegals claiming rights. It hasn't got squat to do with what country they are from, it has everything to do with how they got here.
So, you'd have us believe that all this whining would stop if only everyone were legal? Sounds like hog slop to me. You can't tell the legals from the illegals as it is, and you don't even care to. It hasn't got squat to do with how they got here. You just want to whine over all of them. At least have the courage to admit where you're coming from...
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Old 06-10-2007, 09:47 AM
 
Location: In an illegal immigrant free part of the country.
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No it's not ok. I think those countries should vigorously protect thier culture like we should vigorously protect ours.

You are so right! France has had the rude awakening of just how their culture has been effected in the negative by "diversity" that they are paying immigrants to return to their native country. Viva la France!
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Old 06-10-2007, 09:56 AM
 
Location: In an illegal immigrant free part of the country.
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You're comparing apples to oranges here. American business entering the entire world and Hispanic culture (only) entering the US are two different issues. It's pretty clear from the OP and the way this thread has gone that this belongs in the Immigration forum.

Immigration is a political topic today.
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