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Old 03-10-2010, 08:59 AM
 
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I have absolutely no concern for the illegal working poor, the illegal working middle class, the illegal business owner, or any other sector of the illegal alien population. My concern is for the citizens of this country. If that makes me selfish, so be it.

BTW, the elitists are the illegal alien peddlers/profiteers.
You don't care about the middle class in general. At least with any depth and meaning. It's great to stand behind such staunch immovable terms...if they were valid. Your concern isn't about citizens. It's fear of the other and fear of the future. To such a point that in order to rationalize all the changes both socially and economically, you feel that illegal immigrants embody those changes. However, illegal immigrants didn't cause those changes. You neglect to take BIGGER forces into consideration and decide to focus narrowly (and often wrongly) on illegal immigrants.

You don't care about the rural communities that rely on sales tax revenue from the typical lower middle class illegal immigrant. You don't care about the inner city seeing a stabilization effect due to increased immigration across the board. You don't care about the fact illegal immigrants put more into social security than take out.

Instead, you keep shouting a mantra stating that illegal immigrants are the cause of wage stagnation (not true by any means). You keep saying that English is disappearing (again not true). You say that illegal immigrants are the largest cause of bankruptcy of states (not true again).

When proven wrong, you just ignore it and shout louder. You then go on to state that facts and historical perspectives are irrelevant (except when you use them...in a revisionist fashion).

Look, just state where your "concern" actually lies...in your perceived fears.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:03 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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My concern lies in my fear that I will be losing my country to illegal voters voting to take away my rights, voting to continually raise my taxes to feed their masses creeping over here.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:07 AM
 
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My concern lies in my fear that I will be losing my country to illegal voters voting to take away my rights, voting to continually raise my taxes to feed their masses creeping over here.
That's not going to happen. You should probably be more concerned about the death of the consumer protections agency. You might want to see what's going on about the health care debates and how watered down its gotten. You could be more concerned that our defense budget is at 30-35% of our spending...and increasing. Those are more imminent, actually happening, and will actually affect you.
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Old 03-10-2010, 04:01 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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I just can't stop laughing! Turn on the light and they scatter, if here illegally, better stay in the dark, we are coming after you. OR you can go home before it is too late. I like the idea of detaining illegals for 90 days before deportation. It causes main bread winners to lack financing for their set up "homes" forcing a chain reaction of self-deportation. If instantly released, they usually come back in very quickly with no repercussions.
The Anit movement is all about sound immigration laws...
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Old 03-10-2010, 04:11 PM
 
Location: OB
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Awesome idea. Using the Internet and social media as a platform to conduct pyche-ops on illegals. Was a nice offensive push for the anti-illegal crowd, we need more of it.
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Old 03-10-2010, 04:14 PM
 
Location: ...at a 3AM epiphany
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The Anit movement is all about sound immigration laws...
That was not my idea, I read it somewhere as already being used or as a proposal. I like the idea and feel it would be a great deterrent.
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Old 03-11-2010, 12:44 PM
 
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Absolutely. This situation is true for most Americans as well.

Anybody who cares anything about the survival of a middle class in America needs to seriously support efforts to crack down on illegals.
I know that in MANY rural towns that their tax base is helped by immigration in general (legal or illegal, I can't speculate...no numbers off the top of my head). That's something to take into consideration, right?
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Old 03-11-2010, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I know that in MANY rural towns that their tax base is helped by immigration in general (legal or illegal, I can't speculate...no numbers off the top of my head). That's something to take into consideration, right?
If discussing legal immigrants, of course. Illegal aliens are criminals and are a net liability who need to leave the USA post haste.
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Old 03-11-2010, 12:54 PM
 
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If discussing legal immigrants, of course. Illegal aliens are criminals and are a net liability who need to leave the USA post haste.
I don't think you understood what I wrote, because your point doesn't relate to the quote. Do want me to clarify?

Illegal and legal are constructs, right? At least for certain things (obviously bodily harm is more concrete and so is theft...illegal immigration is not theft, it's not recognized as such by the courts nor is theft unique to illegal immigration, nor do you have to commit theft with illegal immigration, just had to straighten that out). So if one day, which happened to me, a law changed and suddenly I'm a criminal (or not in my case) then it shows how fluid the def. of "criminal" and "non-criminal" are. You following?

Ok, if a town losses its tax base and employment base that's a loss. So if illegal immigrants were at said town and provided its tax and employment base, that's an asset to that town (the opposite to liability).
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Old 03-11-2010, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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That's not going to happen. You should probably be more concerned about the death of the consumer protections agency. You might want to see what's going on about the health care debates and how watered down its gotten. You could be more concerned that our defense budget is at 30-35% of our spending...and increasing. Those are more imminent, actually happening, and will actually affect you.
Well I do add those to the list of concerns. But seriously, how do you expect to continue to add more poor to the feeding station and maintain any kind of defense budget or anything else. I do worry about our rights being hijacked. And I hope the health care bill disappears.
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