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Old 10-14-2007, 02:23 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by eaglecall View Post
Ok now you are telling me that we should surrender. We should let them in and spend money trying to blend them here. No way! this is real patriotism! if it's more expensive to keep them out (wich I really doubt) I prefer that! but replacing America as we know it by a third world mentality with people that don't even have the mental ability to say good morning, NO.

What you say about patriotism in the middle east countries, that is not patriotism at all! that is hate! and they probably hate themselves too! I could be burning mexican flags and praying to allah to eat bread and that is not patriotism at all. Real patriotism is working hard for your family, your community, for your country; and the most important part of that, being prepared to eliminate any threat trying to change/destroy what you've created.

If it is too expensive to keep them out, I offer myself voluntary with a shotgun on the border, without pay and I'm positive millions of fellow Americans would do the same.
I agree 100%

 
Old 10-22-2007, 06:38 PM
 
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Well. I'm humbled...those illegals must be working even HARDER than I'd imagined! Because if it's true that they're costing California $1183 per household every year, they must be BENEFITING each household $1184--or more---since we all know that "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ACTUALLY CAUSE A NET BENEFIT TO THE US" (Isn't that what we're told?). It seems to me, that, rather that fight this thing, we should all encourage even MORE illegal immigration. At some point, according to the conventional wisdom, they'd be BENEFITTING us so much we'd all be RICH !!! Anyone with me on this?....
we could really save some money as a country if we abolish our govt and let mexico take over. that would solve all the issues
 
Old 10-22-2007, 06:40 PM
 
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You sure about this? The Bay Area is not tough on immigrants, and property values have gone through the roof. I'm not saying that being lax with laws will make property values go up, but just that there might not be any correlation, or that there are several other factors that affect property values and crime.

agree with porperty values....completly disagree with the crime thing.

simply look at crime rates of cities and illegal populations on google.
 
Old 10-22-2007, 06:46 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Jose Montara View Post
An interesting quote Now isn't this interesting, I bet you saw Mexicans in your minds eye, but it turns out to be Orientals, Japanese most likely, since the Chinese in that area were shopkeepers, this quote dates from the early years of the 20th century, but as you can see the racist arguments have not changed much over the years.

incidentally the "Aliens who have no love of our state and country and its progress" formed the Nisei division, the most decorated unit in the military in world war two.

mmmmm
they were citzens. and they were patriotic citizens of japanese ethnicity.
illegals with there groups like "la raza" have every intention taking over regions they think belong to them and sucking our govt dry.

key word is "illegal", its not racism. mexicans just happen to be the largest group of illegals by far. i dont care if it was the english and they brought the same thing with them. become a citzen, pay taxes and quit sucking off the rest of us for your benefits.

the racism thing is such a MOD CUT crutch of an argument...no real validity to defend something that is WRONG by making stuff up.

like comparing apples and hand grenades, both fit in you hand...but really different

Last edited by NewToCA; 10-22-2007 at 07:17 PM..
 
Old 10-22-2007, 09:55 PM
 
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> examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of
> illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion
> per year.

Did the study look at the intangible items, such as the savings from cheap labor? Say we didn't have Mexicans working in restuarants, then perhaps the cost of eating out would be higher.

Second, do illegals pay taxes? It seems that they don't pay income tax as they don't have social security numbers, but when they buy stuff, they pay sales tax. I think they should be allowed to get drivers licenses, as that way they would pay vehicle license fees, and more sales tax for when they buy cars and gasoline.

Also, companies should have to pay a tax to hire illegals. How we might enforce this is I don't know, but at a minimum, companies should not be penalized (as under the current proposed immigration bill). Say I get $10 an hour, then my tax would probably be about $0.50 (after deductions, exemptions, etc), so companies should have to pay a tax of 5% when hiring someone without a social security number.

Also, the state's annual budget is $120 billion, so $10 billion is only about 10%. Hence I conclude that the bulk of California's bulky budget is due to other factors. Maybe the real reason behind California's bulky budget is socialism, entitlement spending, social and corporate welfare, and so on.

Also, I've been looking for statistics on how California schools fare with and without illegals. They said California is the 49th worst for K-12 education. But if you remove the scores of illegals (or children of illegals), how does California fare? My guess is that California will fare much better. This is an indication that more needs to be done to integrate the illegals (and children of illegals) such as teaching them in Mexican, and slowly transitioning to English as a primary language.

If California is the 49th worst with all students considered, and 25th or so when illegals are excluded, then the talk about California being the 49th worst in the nation is a scare tactic to get taxpayers to pay more and more.

Hope you're not getting a heart attack reading this!
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hahaha. ok ok but you see? every time we discuss this topic we start diggin for some justification. So let's put it plain and simple:

- I brake a window in your house

- I stay inside hiding from you

- I start cleaning your kitchen

- You discover me, but I order you not to touch me because I am doing what you don't want to do in your own house

- You try to convince me that you don't need that extra service, but I refuse to leave and demand the right to stay there and have a bedroom for me.

- I stay there and you discover that although I'm clenaing the kitchen everyday, you are paying more at the end of the month for the extra food for me (is my right), the extra electricity (my right) extra water usage (my right)

- Finally, you decide to take me out of your own house by force, I sue you and you go to jail for hate crime.


DOES THIS SH*T MAKE ANY SENSE??

Well, bottom line, that is the situation. No more, no less. It doesn't care if illegals are 1 penny every month for citizens. The problem is WHY IN THE WORLD WE HAVE TO PAY THAT EXTRA PENNY FOR SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T WANT/HAVEN'T ASK.

cheers.
Hmmm, now it all makes sense...but you left out rape, rob, pillage and plunder. By the way, did you also burn or desecrate 'Ole Glory? Because then your analogy would be perfect! Oh, except you didn't mention if you wanted me to move the #$%^&* out of my house now that I've fed you and gave you shelter...
 
Old 10-23-2007, 10:10 AM
 
Location: CA Coast
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I was thinking about the underground railroad the other day. Just think.
All of those escaped slaves were fleeing bad economic conditions in the South, they were CRIMINALS!!
Running away from slavery was a crime. All the Northerners who helped them along were CODDLING CRIMINALS!!!

Thousands of dark skinned people illegally immigrating north helped by bleeding heart Liberals.
 
Old 10-23-2007, 03:43 PM
 
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I was thinking about the underground railroad the other day. Just think.
All of those escaped slaves were fleeing bad economic conditions in the South, they were CRIMINALS!!
Running away from slavery was a crime. All the Northerners who helped them along were CODDLING CRIMINALS!!!

that is really a strectch...mexicans arent slaves, the slaves werent escaping bad "economic" conditions, they were escaping SLAVERY.

Thousands of dark skinned people illegally immigrating north helped by bleeding heart Liberals.

nobody i know including myself has an issue with them if they become LEGAL.

And yes the bleeding heart liberals love to take everything i have worked my ass off for and give it to those who dont deserve it. I grew up a white poor kid with NO HELP, now that through my own work i have managed to scratch out a pretty descent life for myself, I cant stand the fact that somebody else thinks i should have to pay for some people to come here and live here ILLEGALLY. If you want to do it....go volunteer or start writing some checks.


Nice way to throw race and slavery into it. that might work tugging at the heart strings of some, but its a load of poop.
 
Old 10-23-2007, 04:02 PM
 
Location: Northern VA (for now)
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Originally Posted by greatbasinguide View Post
I was thinking about the underground railroad the other day. Just think.
All of those escaped slaves were fleeing bad economic conditions in the South, they were CRIMINALS!!
Running away from slavery was a crime. All the Northerners who helped them along were CODDLING CRIMINALS!!!

Thousands of dark skinned people illegally immigrating north helped by bleeding heart Liberals.
this is just ignorant.

the black slaves were running through the underground railroad b/c they were being whipped, hung, raped, and treated like property in the south. they didn't come to the north for "better opportunties" they came to the north to save their lives.

i wish someone else would try to compare the illegals struggles to the slaves struggles.
 
Old 10-23-2007, 04:30 PM
 
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See you are missing the point

Yes SOME people obviously do not want to see some prices going down, but it is not about those individuals. It is about every citizen.

If housing costs drop it will always be better for more people than for less people. (excluding the illegals)

And those people who do get hurt from housing costs dropping are really NOT GOING TO SUFFER ALL THAT MUCH IF THEY HAD ANY REAL BUSINESS SENSE.

fine maybe some people would hit rock bottom, but that is their fault.

Illegals do not need to buy anything, they just occupy turf, and make it undesirable for citizens.

Lets put it this way. The USA is not a bottomless well that goes on forever. There is a limit to how much water it has, and how fast it can replenish.

The more people drawing from the well, means that there is less water for every person.

That is why all the illegals must go. They represent the portion of the population that is expendable. We have the right to expell them so that everyone shall have more water to drink.

I know that sounds greedy,and mean, but Jesus christ, they are not our problem. We have our own problems
Excellent post!!
 
Old 10-23-2007, 04:34 PM
 
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Originally Posted by greatbasinguide View Post
I was thinking about the underground railroad the other day. Just think.
All of those escaped slaves were fleeing bad economic conditions in the South, they were CRIMINALS!!
Running away from slavery was a crime. All the Northerners who helped them along were CODDLING CRIMINALS!!!

Thousands of dark skinned people illegally immigrating north helped by bleeding heart Liberals.
Helped by Abraham Lincoln, a Republican!
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