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Old 03-28-2010, 11:53 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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It's time to put an end to the abuse.
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Old 03-28-2010, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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It is waaaaaaay past time to end this travesty.
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Old 03-28-2010, 03:45 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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This is just a re-hash of the same arguements. Yes illegal immigration was not a problem back in the 1880's; Yes the authours of the 14th didnt have anyway of forseeing the immigration problems of today; Which had the effect of... in fact "Grandfathered" in illegal aliens for Birthright Citizenship.

Since illegal aliens were not expressly denied citizenship in the language of the document as were the children of Foreign Ambassordors and American Indians, then all other cases of birthright citizenship including mothers delivering their child regardless of her citizenship were accepted and set into precedent.

Remember durring Colonial through 1880's foreigners were allowed to travel freely to and inside the US. Their US born children were granted US citizenship.
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Old 03-28-2010, 03:47 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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This is just a re-hash of the same arguements. Yes illegal immigration was not a problem back in the 1880's; Yes the authours of the 14th didnt have anyway of forseeing the immigration problems of today; Which had the effect of... in fact "Grandfathered" in illegal aliens for Birthright Citizenship.

Since illegal aliens were not expressly denied citizenship in the language of the document as were the children of Foreign Ambassortors and American Indians, then all other cases of birthright citizenship including mothers delivering their child regardless of her citizenship were accepted and set into precedent.

Remember durring Colonial through 1880's foreigners were allowed to travel freely to and inside the US. Their US born children were granted US citizenship.
What is your take on the 14th? Do you wish to keep it with the loophole or not? I want the loophole closed.
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Old 03-28-2010, 03:58 PM
 
Location: ...at a 3AM epiphany
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The abuse is vulgar and obscene thus by forcing us to rescind.
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Old 03-28-2010, 08:08 PM
 
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Who in the Senate or House is willing to draw up such legislation? Has anyone done so in the recent past?

blacknight04, you sound like a liberal talking-point with your false anti-immigration rhetoric. People are against illegal immigration, not immigration when it is done by the books. What part of illegal do you fail to understand?

We are a nation of laws and we expect our government to enforce those laws. When they refuse, it is time to make the law stronger.

What am I willing to give up? I'm willing to see my city rid of the violent crimes by illegals who are also gang members. I'm willing to see my emergency rooms freed up a bit and my medical casts reduced as a result of no illegals using the ERs and then walking out on their bills. I'm willing to see all citizens be able to afford an education rather than see the children of illegals be given lower tuition than are law abiding citizens to many state universities. Do you want a longer list blacknight04?
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Old 03-28-2010, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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This evening DH and I watched To Sir With Love. DH asked what had become of SiDney Poitier, and when I looked him up, I found this:
Sidney Poitier - Biography
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A native of Cat Island, The Bahamas, (though born in Miami during a mainland visit by his parents), Poitier grew up in poverty as the son of a dirt farmer....Appointed an Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire in 1974. Although this is often mistaken to have been an honorary knighthood, it is actually a substantive knighthood, as Poitier is a citizen of The Bahamas, a Commonwealth realm which at the time of his appointment recognized the British Honours System.
Why is it that when an illegal has a baby in the USA, they are American citizens but while Sidney Poitier was born here of foreign parents, he is not?
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Old 03-28-2010, 09:53 PM
 
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This evening DH and I watched To Sir With Love. DH asked what had become of SiDney Poitier, and when I looked him up, I found this:
Sidney Poitier - Biography


Why is it that when an illegal has a baby in the USA, they are American citizens but while Sidney Poitier was born here of foreign parents, he is not?
Very interesting indeed. Perhaps because the government wasn’t trying to ensure a steady crop of cheap labor when he was born.
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Old 03-28-2010, 10:43 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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What is your take on the 14th? Do you wish to keep it with the loophole or not? I want the loophole closed.
what loop hole, the Constitution just is...

If you want to end illegal aliens' children form becomming US citizens at birth, then that has to be added to the language of the Constitution.

The percedent which allows it has already been set. The Supreme Courts does not reverse current intrepretation without a specific case in Law to review.
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Old 03-28-2010, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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what loop hole, the Constitution just is...

If you want to end illegal aliens' children form becomming US citizens at birth, then that has to be added to the language of the Constitution.

The percedent which allows it has already been set. The Supreme Courts does not reverse current intrepretation without a specific case in Law to review.
Perhaps you can explain post #11.
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