Gutierrez race baitor and traitor at it again (illegal, representation, crime)

[Kele]

Originally Posted by 1751texan

The Path to Citizenship

The immigration goal for many is to become a U.S. citizen. Explore the naturalization process, including information on forms, testing and dual citizenship.

Military recruitment programs such as the MAVNI program a good way for immigrants and nonimmigrants to earn U.S. citizenship,

Does the word "illegal" degrade and alienate those who are in the country without legal permission? Many agree that it does, and there is growing support to use the term "undocumented," even in the Supreme Court.

Oh for crying out loud.

I suppose the words "child molester" or "murderer" are too degrading and alienating as well. Let's go with "undocumented child lover" and "undocumented overpopulation reducer."

Are you really this thick?

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by Kele

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Oh for crying out loud.

I suppose the words "child molester" or "murderer" are too degrading and alienating as well. Let's go with "undocumented child lover" and "undocumented overpopulation reducer."

Are you really this thick?

Consider the source........I 'smell' sheer desperation

[getout]

Call them what they are. Illegal-(that means not legal) Alien-(foreigner: a person who comes from a foreign country). Illegal alien is the correct description.

[Benicar]

Originally Posted by blacknight04

Ugly in what way? Your sick fantasies of violence and rioting is NEVER going to happen...so keep on dreaming.

I have no fantasy, sick or otherwise, of violence erupting in this country. However, one would have to be either living in a remote cave, or extremely naive, NOT to realize this country is reaching a boiling point.

The issue of illegal immigration is more contentious now than ever, due to millions of illegal aliens brazenly sucking us dry, while millions of citizens are losing their jobs and homes. The citizens of this country have had enough; and mark my word, if our government doesn’t handle it, We the People will.

You would be wise to stop dreaming about the passage of the DREAM Act and amnesty.

[Benicar]

Originally Posted by 1751texan

The Path to Citizenship


The immigration goal for many is to become a U.S. citizen. Explore the naturalization process, including information on forms, testing and dual citizenship.

Military recruitment programs such as the MAVNI program a good way for immigrants and nonimmigrants to earn U.S. citizenship,

Does the word "illegal" degrade and alienate those who are in the country without legal permission? Many agree that it does, and there is growing support to use the term "undocumented," even in the Supreme Court.

Do you understand the meaning of plagiarism? When you post comments from other sources, you should always acknowledge the source. Here, I’ll help.

The Path to Citizenship

[1751texan]

Originally Posted by Kele

Yeah, speaking of those so called rights that illegal immigrants supposedly are entitled to?

Yesterday in the immigration law class I'm taking just for giggles, the professor (herself an immigration lawyer) mentioned the fact that illegal aliens, not being citizens, are not entitled to any protection under the Constitution whatsoever--or as she so eloquently stated: "Illegal immigrants are not entitled to protection under the Constitutional--those rights are only provided to citizens and legal immigrants of the United States.

if that were so, if an "illegal alien" accused of a serious crime what rights do they have to legal representation, trial by jury, speedy trial, and every othe Due Process right. All persons afforded rights regardless of immigration status.

Ask your professor to explain why the Supreme Court took and Ruled on the case of FLORES-FIGUEROA v. UNITED STATES.
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[1751texan]

Originally Posted by Benicar

Do you understand the meaning of plagiarism? When you post comments from other sources, you should always acknowledge the source. Here, I’ll help.

The Path to Citizenship

I stated that right at the top, i guess that how you found it. I added no other text and never did I claim it as mine.

so whats your beef?

[chicagonut]

Originally Posted by 1751texan

if that were so, if an "illegal alien" accused of a serious crime what rights do they have to legal representation, trial by jury, speedy trial, and every othe Due Process right. All persons afforded rights regardless of immigration status.

Ask your professor to explain why the Supreme Court took and Ruled on the case of FLORES-FIGUEROA v. UNITED STATES.

A federal statute forbidding "[a]ggravated identity theft" imposes a mandatory consecutive 2-year prison term on an individual convicted of certain predicate crimes if, during (or in relation to) the commission of those other crimes, the offender "knowingly ... uses, without lawful authority, a means of identification of another person." 18 U. S. C. §1028A(a)(1) (emphasis added). After petitioner Flores-Figueroa, a Mexican citizen, gave his employer counterfeit Social Security and alien registration cards containing his name but other people's identification numbers, he was arrested and charged with two immigration offenses and aggravated identity theft. Flores moved for acquittal on the latter charge, claiming that the Government could not prove that he knew that the documents' numbers were assigned to other people. The District Court agreed with the Government that the word "knowingly" in §1028A(a)(1) does not modify the statute's last three words, "of another person," and, after trial, found Flores guilty on all counts. The Eighth Circuit affirmed.

Held: Section §1028(a)(1) requires the Government to show that the defendant knew that the means of identification at issue belonged to another person. As a matter of ordinary English grammar, "knowingly" is naturally read as applying to all the subsequently listed elements of the crime. Where a transitive verb has an object, listeners in most contexts assume that an adverb (such as "knowingly") that modifies the verb tells the listener how the subject performed the entire action, including the object. The Government does not provide a single example of a sentence that, when used in typical fashion, would lead the hearer to a contrary understanding. And courts ordinarily interpret criminal statutes consistently with the ordinary English usage.


The Court ruled 9-0 infavor of the petitioner

Justice Breyer delivered the opinion of the Court.

A federal criminal statute forbidding "[a]ggravated identity theft" imposes a mandatory consecutive 2-year prison term upon individuals convicted of certain other crimes if, during (or in relation to) the commission of those other crimes, the offender "knowingly transfers, possesses, or uses, without lawful authority, a means of identification of another person." 18 U. S. C. §1028A(a)(1) (emphasis added). The question is whether the statute requires the Government to show that the defendant knew that the "means of identification" he or she unlawfully transferred, possessed, or used, in fact, belonged to "another person." We conclude that it does.

One more thing to think about, when people say "illegal aliens" dont have rights. In the eyes of the Law, an IA is someone that has already been ajudicated. A person walking down the street is secure in their person until time of ajudication. Suspision of being a illegal alien is not suffecient. the 4th amendment says all persons...not all citizens.

4th amendment

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Anyone with half a brain would know where the word "people" is used in the Constitution that it is referring to U.S. citizens. The Constitution was written for U.S. citizens not illegal foreigners.

[Benicar]

Originally Posted by 1751texan

I stated that right at the top, i guess that how you found it. I added no other text and never did I claim it as mine.

so whats your beef?

Where “at the top” did you state it? No, I found it through a simple Google search of “Path to Citizenship.” Isn't that what you did?

[1751texan]

Originally Posted by chicagonut

Anyone with half a brain would know where the word "people" is used in the Constitution that it is referring to U.S. citizens. The Constitution was written for U.S. citizens not illegal foreigners.

So when a Supreme court Judge states in a recent opinion that rights are for all regardless of immigration status, would you call that Justice a half wit?