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This is a very sad development. California seems like a pretty big state to attempt this in. Why not try it in Arizona or Oklahoma. Birthright citizenship is a major draw for illegal immigration. It may not stop illegals from coming here and having babies, but it will deter alot of the illegal alien females to not intentionly get pregnant just to gain a U.S. citizen child. The eight main goals in combating this scourge imo are;
1. Fencing the entire southern border
2. Mandatory E-Verify
3. Ending birthright citizenship
4. Visa Entry/Exit tracking system
5. Permanent barring of violators from re-entry into this country.
6. With E-Verify in effect, any businesses utilizing illegal immigrant labor period, will face jail time, fine and 10 year loss of operating license; by defualt
7. 30,000 strong border patrol and a 10,000 strong ICE force. 8. Special tax on small businesses and those making over 250,000 per year to pay for services rendered to illegal aliens in schools and healthcare.
No mass deportations needed. I would suspect 90% of illegals would self-deport.
This is a good list. A special tax, though, should be applied to all Americans affected by illegal immigration. Plenty of bleeding hearts for illegals might be changed if they participated directly in the cost of illegals.
9. The NG needs to be deployed immediately along the southern border. The NG needs to be fully armed and patroling against drug cartel incursions.
This is a good list. A special tax, though, should be applied to all Americans affected by illegal immigration. Plenty of bleeding hearts for illegals might be changed if they participated directly in the cost of illegals.
9. The NG needs to be deployed immediately along the southern border. The NG needs to be fully armed and patroling against drug cartel incursions.
The problem with this is that the rest of us obviously have limited influence, since this cancer continues to spread. I deliberately targeted those who not only hold most of the power, but in some way, shape or form, profit from these illegals. BTW this tax wouldn't just be for California, I mean it to be a federal tax. You can bet, all these groups will plead innocence. It's so obvious, that they would be lying though and the rest of us should have no pity on them in the least bit. The tax will be adjusted annualy according to expense, so if the illegals go home, NO TAX!!
I agree that eliminating the citizenship birthright for children of illegal immigrants would solve most of the problem.
However this strategy I think would merely replace one problem with another. The state does not award citizenship, the federal government does. As this article points out, all the initiative would accomplish is limiting benefits like public education and health care. And that would have consequences.
Federal money has strings attached, and not complying with the rules of providing education and medical care to all will likely result in that aid being cut. Which will hurt the children of bona fide citizens.
I agree with the principal but I think there needs to be another way.
Do you all remember Prop 187? California voted that initiative in. It was supposed to eliminate services to illegals, but some judge singlehandedly overturned the decision.
While states cannot determine who gets to be a U.S. citizen, Hilton says the initiative would cut off benefits for the U.S.-born children of people who are in the country illegally. Many scholars argue that changing the definition of citizenship would require a constitutional amendment, which could only be done on the federal level.
I am not so sure about Immigration law enforcement being done ONLY on a Federal Law. Like San Francisco designating itself a "sancuary city". If State and Local governments decided to enforce immigration laws, or ordinances to weed out illegal immigrants I think it would be legal grounds for requiring all citizens to provide proof of citizenship.
If the people decided they are fed up with all the illegals, they will find a way to make sure they have no jobs, and no where to live. Problem solved.
This is a very sad development. California seems like a pretty big state to attempt this in. Why not try it in Arizona or Oklahoma. Birthright citizenship is a major draw for illegal immigration. It may not stop illegals from coming here and having babies, but it will deter alot of the illegal alien females to not intentionly get pregnant just to gain a U.S. citizen child. The eight main goals in combating this scourge imo are;
1. Fencing the entire southern border
2. Mandatory E-Verify
3. Ending birthright citizenship
4. Visa Entry/Exit tracking system
5. Permanent barring of violators from re-entry into this country.
6. With E-Verify in effect, any businesses utilizing illegal immigrant labor period, will face jail time, fine and 10 year loss of operating license; by defualt
7. 30,000 strong border patrol and a 10,000 strong ICE force.
8. Special tax on small businesses and those making over 250,000 per year to pay for services rendered to illegal aliens in schools and healthcare.
No mass deportations needed. I would suspect 90% of illegals would self-deport.
I think all of the above is a great idea! Chidren born here of illegal immigrants would have to become legal citizens by applying for citizenship like their illegal parents. Paying fines and back taxes would also be appropriate. If they have been convicted of a crime they would be not be allowed citizenship, especilly a violent crime, this may sound harsh but they have been breaking the law and have cost American taxpayers too much! Good Bye I say........
I am not so sure about Immigration law enforcement being done ONLY on a Federal Law. Like San Francisco designating itself a "sancuary city". If State and Local governments decided to enforce immigration laws, or ordinances to weed out illegal immigrants I think it would be legal grounds for requiring all citizens to provide proof of citizenship.
If the people decided they are fed up with all the illegals, they will find a way to make sure they have no jobs, and no where to live. Problem solved.
It all comes back to the United States Constitution and the difference between laws written and enforced by the Federal, State, and Municipal governments.
Case in point, the city where you live cannot start writting Laws dealing with Murders commited in your city. Why, because your State writes the Laws pertaining to Murder. The Federal Government writes codes for Special circumstanses of murder such as death of a FBI agent.
Immigration law is written and adminstered by the Ferderal Government. HLS handles all aspects of Immigration inforcement. ICE teams up with State and local law enforcement to aid ICE in aprehending undocumented aliens, but it is only The Federal Government that "Tries" and deports the alien.
The State and Local LE can volantarily team up with the Feds under the 278(g) program but have to work under the Feds and follow all federal laws and rights under those laws.
Just because local law enforcement wants to be able to stop a person for suspicion of being in the country without authrization, the LE still has to follow all civil rights laws of the individual. Law enforcement has no reason to stop you or anyone and ask for citizenship papers. That law does not exist. You are secure in your Constitutional rights of unreasonalble searches and seizures.
Illegals don't follow our rule of law. They don't care if it's State or Federal they will still break it. It makes sense for every level of law enforcement to be involved eradicating these criminal, trespassing, demanding invaders. Border Patrol was given a lot more power in the last 10 years so it makes sense that local LE be given the same power.
Illegals don't follow our rule of law. They don't care if it's State or Federal they will still break it. It makes sense for every level of law enforcement to be involved eradicating these criminal, trespassing, demanding invaders. Border Patrol was given a lot more power in the last 10 years so it makes sense that local LE be given the same power.
It doesnt mater that undocumented aliens follow the rule of law, it maters that WE do. It makes no sence to proclaim ourselves a great Nation and not walk the walk.
We cant go changing the constitution everytime the wind blows. That is why the founding Fathers made it so difficult, so that when things get tough we have a durable document to defend us.
If you want to change Laws, that is the Right of the People. If you want to change the constiution, that is also our right. but claiming powers that do exist, that cant and WILL not happen. The Consitution and the Courts are the Final arbitor.
Local law enforcement are not Federal Agents, they have neither the training nor schooling. A GAO review of the 287(g) show some success and some concerns. The report did day that some communities were safer...but there was also this-
The authors warned that confusion over the purpose of 287(g) could result in referrals of a "unmanageable number" of low-priority illegal immigrants to ICE as well as "misuse of authority" by local officials.
According to the report, one sheriff said that his understanding of his authority was that "287(g)-trained officers could go to people's homes and question individuals regarding their immigration status even if the individual is not suspected of criminal activity."
The sheriff's men never executed such a search, but his believing that he had the authority shows that LE needs more training and ICE oversight.
Hmm... just heard that Representative Gary Miller of California is challenging the 14th Amendment via Section 5. I'm no law student nor familiar with any of this but he seems hopeful it will rescind birthright citizenship without an amendment to the Constitution. His aim to end "birth tourism". I'm anxious to see how this pans out.
Americans really are tired of this abuse.
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not so sure about that
