Wake up and smell our demise (Aztlan, illegal aliens, law, activist)

[M TYPE X]

Politicians: Americans won't support mass deportation! oh, and it's technically infeasible.
People: .................. right. Thanks for not asking us.

Originally Posted by saganista

Oh, you mean like the Pilgrims and those guys at Jamestown. Made sure they had all the proper papers from the Indians...made every effort to learn the local language and assimilate into the local culture. Yep, that's how our forefathers did it.

No, they came from Germany or Poland and had their names changed at Ellis Island to "Smith" or "Jones," yet they tolerated it in order to be here.

[M TYPE X]

Originally Posted by fastfilm

Nooneknows, Americans are against illegal immigrants, not immigrants. Naturalized citizens appreciate our country as much as born citizens, and are part of the fabric of our American culture, most deservedly so.

Yes, and Tom Tancredo failed to make that point, so he is suspect, regardless of what he believes. I believe he has said it before, but has been less than forthcoming.

I'm always surprised to see such hostility directed at Americans by illegals. Ever been spat at by a foreign national in your own country? I sure have...

Our countries don't tolerate it. The French have stopped doing so, with the removal of self-hating leftists represented by Chirac.

[citigirl]

Originally Posted by M TYPE X

Politicians: Americans won't support mass deportation! oh, and it's technically infeasible.
People: .................. right. Thanks for not asking us.



No, they came from Germany or Poland and had their names changed at Ellis Island to "Smith" or "Jones," yet they tolerated it in order to be here.

Oh bologna! Because it was hard to understand broken English or no English, maybe some letters were changed or names shortened. My husbands original name was spelled with two LLs or as i my mother's name an o was made an a at the end of the name. By the way the immigrants of yesterday didn't "pput up" with anything they dreamed of being an American and had loyality to America.

[M TYPE X]

Originally Posted by citigirl

Oh bologna! Because it was hard to understand broken English or no English, maybe some letters were changed or names shortened. My husbands original name was spelled with two LLs or as i my mother's name an o was made an a at the end of the name. By the way the immigrants of yesterday didn't "pput up" with anything they dreamed of being an American and had loyality to America.

They wanted to be here so much that they tolerated nativist government policy that mangled people's names.

[eaglecall]

Originally Posted by nooneknowsmyname

I am not a Mexican (or even of Mexican origin) but an American whose ancestors have been in the US since the early 1800s and I happen to agree with saganista. It really shocks me to see such hostility directed at immigrants. Wow!

Well I think that depends on where you live. Probably you've never been affected at all by illegal and/or legal immigration.

Look. We ALL know that there are a lot of good legal immigrants from South America, who really love this nation, but there is a problem. Where are they? Why they're not speaking up? why they are not defending the laws from the country they dreamed to come? THEY HAVE TO SPEAK UP!!

With illegals, is different. I have ZERO TOLERANCE with them. I start from the base that they shouldn't exist here at all, for eny reason. I start from the base that the first illegal who was able to start here, was a big mistake from authorities; and not because they are now millions means that they earned a right to stay.

And as far as legal immigrants, you should stay for a couple of months in places like Miami...I'm sure after one month you'll be throwing up. And I'm not talking about Miami Beach, Coral Gables, and all that yankee lifestyle. I'm talking about the daily life of a regular mid class joe.

[nooneknowsmyname]

Originally Posted by fastfilm

Nooneknows, Americans are against illegal immigrants, not immigrants. Naturalized citizens appreciate our country as much as born citizens, and are part of the fabric of our American culture, most deservedly so. In contrast, illegals break a major Federal statute in order to steal services that citizens will never have; tax our citizens into poverty by having to support same; depress wages in entry level jobs that Americans are desperate for; are utterly reluctant to ever begin to learn the language of the entire U.S., English; insist upon cultural segregation or changing laws to emulate their former countries; and openly resent all Americans here.

In contrast to your statement, here in Los Angeles, I'm always surprised to see such hostility directed at Americans by illegals. Ever been spat at by a foreign national in your own country? I sure have...

That may be your experience, but I currently live in the SF Bay Area, previously in Philadelphia, Boston and North Carolina and I have never been subjected to any hostility at the hand of undocumented immigrants. I have, however, been called names and mistreated by many people who are Americans.

[nooneknowsmyname]

Originally Posted by eaglecall

Well I think that depends on where you live. Probably you've never been affected at all by illegal and/or legal immigration.

And as far as legal immigrants, you should stay for a couple of months in places like Miami...I'm sure after one month you'll be throwing up. And I'm not talking about Miami Beach, Coral Gables, and all that yankee lifestyle. I'm talking about the daily life of a regular mid class joe.

I currently live in the SFBay Area, previously in Boston, Philadelphia and in Chapel Hill, NC near Durham which has seen one of the largest influxes of undocumented immigrants in the US and I still don't understand the hostility directed at them.

[nooneknowsmyname]

Originally Posted by RedNC

I am hostile to these illegal invaders. I have seen the destruction these invaders have caused to the once great state of CA.
I’m sick and tired of my government turning the other way when everyone saw the devastation they were inflicting.

The fact that you chose to see my response as hostility towards immigrants tells me that you don’t get it.

And thanks for the negative rep it must of made you feel real important.

I'm afraid I don't understand the hostility directed at undocumented immigrants.

[chele123]

Originally Posted by saganista

I don't know. Perhaps we could talk about chickens and eggs as well, but I don't see what it would have to do with the OP's claim that we all became Americans because our forefathers came here from foreign countries but did so the right way, when the plain fact is that the Pilgrims and Jamestown colonists, celebrated as they are in our national lore with holidays and gala celebrations that include all the pomp and ceremony of heads of state and visiting foreign monarchs, got here by exactly the same means and behaved in exactly the same way as those that the OP wishes now so vociferoulsy to object to. Can you say revisionist double standard?

Can you say history repeats itself? That we have studied and learned from history, and don't want it to repeat itself? We invaded this country, and claimed it for our own. The natives lost their land, lost their culture, and lost their lives. Are you suggesting we should just sit here and allow that to happen to us? Us, as in U.S.

[eaglecall]

Originally Posted by saganista

I don't know. Perhaps we could talk about chickens and eggs as well, but I don't see what it would have to do with the OP's claim that we all became Americans because our forefathers came here from foreign countries but did so the right way, when the plain fact is that the Pilgrims and Jamestown colonists, celebrated as they are in our national lore with holidays and gala celebrations that include all the pomp and ceremony of heads of state and visiting foreign monarchs, got here by exactly the same means and behaved in exactly the same way as those that the OP wishes now so vociferoulsy to object to. Can you say revisionist double standard?

Did you know that in mother nature the strongest better adapted specimen is the one that survives? That one who successfully hunt and successfully prevent be hunted. We hunted our land. And since we have the knowledge and strength, will not survive from those trying to hunt us.

Any doubt, just ask The Taliban. They messed with the wrong specie. Just like cheap people south of the border is doing.