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Old 06-11-2007, 06:27 AM
 
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We WILL speek Spanish Things are changing,and , its too late to stop it. Regardless how we feel about whats right , and the fact that the Government has looked the other way for so long,I think the cat is out of the bag. They are here , they won't go back , they will demand equal rights , regardless of legal or illegal status. They will get public health care at taxpayers expense. Its the wave of the future. This country is changing, you might as well except the facts. Spanish WILL become the first language in many areas, and all signs, tests, printed matter , as well as teaching in schools will be more and more in Spanish, thats the way it it is , and will be for a long time.
If you don't like it , or can't handle it , move to a state or area , that has very few migratory workers . The Latin people's are fast out pacing any other group, they are going to keep coming at a higher rate then ever before. No one or no group will be able to stop them. Remember , this is not a race issue, its an economic one.
It would be simple to say we could just give them back the SW that they lost in 1848, I would be all for that, but , they have integrated sociality all over the country.
This country will become part of the new North American Union, Canada , United States , and Mexico, the borders will become but a stopping off place for signing in. What this all means is we here in the US will be investing in Mexico even more than all the money the illegals send back now. Might as well , cut a check , and earmark it for aid to Mexico now , cause ether way, our Government will spend and send it for you ! Welcome to the 21st Century, amigo......
I didn't know Miss Cleo posted on City-Data............
In the United States we have this thing called 'voting' and there are alot more of us than there are of you.

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Old 06-11-2007, 07:14 AM
 
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So now it's "you" versus "us?" You don't consider yourself American?
Let's just get this straight as to who is inventing THEM and pitting one segment of the American population against another. Whether it's been liberals or secular humanists or gays or immigrants or even the educated, this demonize-and-attack mode and strategy has all been spawned within the fundie-dominated political right-wing. It is there you will find the preachers of hatred and division. It is there that you will find the demagogues and authoritarians for whom this type of manipulation is standard operating procedure.

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Can it be true that those ascribing to this line of thought put La Raza uber alles? That they want the entirety of American society, with its origin from all parts of the globe, not just "yours" south of the border, to be eradicated so that this country more resembles their classic third world paradigm, or the racial mandates of National Socialism?
Can it be that this sort of fear-mongering is a pile of tripe? The classic third world paradigm in this hemipshere includes economic and often enough military domination and exploitation by a great power to the north. How are we going to work that in, do you think? And my own heritage, as an FYI, is northern european. You'll need a new theory on that score as well.

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I want this country to work its best so that every American, from nooneknowsmy name to RedNC can function their own best in, well, the pursuit of happiness, based upon our shared American ideals.
There are many who post in this sub-forum who hold and would seek to enforce a rather contorted and quite exclusionary ideal of what those shared American values actually are. There is a difference between sharing and dictating.

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Mean-spirited illegals and their apologists consistantly rationalize the illegals' own criminal actions. This remains self-serving solipsism, and the polar opposite of "E Pluribus Unum."
Self-serving solipsism, while alliterative, is a redundancy, and it is the anti-immigration Chicken Little's who engage in it, regularly disregarding well-established external evidence, erasing and replacing that with whatever wild whimsy they themselves would prefer to imagine. There is little room for the tenets of white nationalism within the motto E Pluribus Unum, a concept that similar sorts have of course sought to replace with the typically divisive and exclusionary In God We Trust. All in all, I think you are barking up rather the wrong tree on this one...
 
Old 06-11-2007, 07:18 AM
 
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Not a Mexican, an American, and even from San Francisco...just like Sanganista's stats, wow what a coincidence.
Uh, Saganista is from Northern Virginia. If you can find Washington D.C. on a map, it's a little west of there...
 
Old 06-11-2007, 07:27 AM
 
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You always say 'your U.S.', 'your America', 'your country', etc. you seem so anti-American so why don't you take your business south of the border.
No, not always. Only when I mean to refer to the US as you all have attempted to hijack and redefine it, establishing your own imposed rules and qualifications that lead you to suggest that Americans like me should head south of the border. Trying to turn America into your own little private club is what you all are about. Your response to Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free is Not in My Back Yard.
 
Old 06-11-2007, 07:50 AM
 
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I don't see why the government cannot be sued as you said in previous post.
That would be because neither of you has ever looked into the concept of sovereign immunity or the Federal Torts Claim Act of 1946. For further background on the matter, see Downs v. US [1975] and Wyler v. Korean Air Lines [1991].
 
Old 06-11-2007, 10:15 AM
 
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Try as I may have to not personalize the debate (please note the pronouns reflected divisive exclusionary thinking of La Raza, not anything aimed at specific posters, all of whom are welcome to his or her opinions) I guess I'll have to simplify for purposes of true discourse.

Why do you want law-breakers be rewarded? Why do want U.S. laws to be suspended for only one group of immigrants from one destination? Why do you want the United States to be transmogrified into a country more resembling the ones that the illegals have fled? Why do you want your fellow Americans "swept away?"
 
Old 06-11-2007, 11:04 AM
 
Location: State of Superior
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I didn't know Miss Cleo posted on City-Data............
In the United States we have this thing called 'voting' and there are alot more of us than there are of you.
Not sure who you think I am ?.........I also wonder who us is. A lot of talk on all sides of this problem, some have an agenda
, some don't..........my statement is a prediction , and a statement of what has happened. Personally , I do not condone any illegal activity that has been supported by our government...........Everything will work itself out, at some point, however , I take offense, that my tax dollars are going to make the problem worse , instead of controlling our borders, from all sorts of folks trying to get under the radar. What ever happened to homeland security ! ? Thats a joke, as well as most all of the current administration, goes to show whos pocket they are being fed from........... vote , yes , VOTE EM OUT , so we can just get some more just like them, whoever, them is....
 
Old 06-11-2007, 11:36 AM
 
Location: san francisco bay area
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Living in CA, illegals and others out of amnesty group are making life very fearful when driving, shopping, watching news reports, or actually threatened by usual gang mentality types, including physical attacks! There is a dramatic rise in violence, shootings/killings in L.A., even nice areas, against whites and blacks and hispanics. Many people are afraid to even go out of their bar covered windowed homes in many cities, and they do not dare report to police violence they see. Gangs control neighborhoods.
FOR THE MOST PART IT WAS NOT LIKE THIS BEFORE THEY CAME HERE, AMERICANS ARE BASICALLY PEACEFUL PEOPLE AND WE LIVED PEACEFUL LIVES WITHOUT THE VIOLENCE, THREATS, CRAZY ACTING OUT, RUDENESS, LACK OF MANNERS, LACK OF HUMILITY, PERVERTEDNESS, LOWNESS, THAT WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH NOW!! Over 20,000 Americans have been murdered by illegals since 2000.
Unfortuntately, it will take more than your merely stating this to convince me that your claims are factual.
 
Old 06-11-2007, 12:25 PM
 
Location: In an illegal immigrant free part of the country.
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Living in CA, illegals and others out of amnesty group are making life very fearful when driving, shopping, watching news reports, or actually threatened by usual gang mentality types, including physical attacks! There is a dramatic rise in violence, shootings/killings in L.A., even nice areas, against whites and blacks and hispanics. Many people are afraid to even go out of their bar covered windowed homes in many cities, and they do not dare report to police violence they see. Gangs control neighborhoods.
FOR THE MOST PART IT WAS NOT LIKE THIS BEFORE THEY CAME HERE, AMERICANS ARE BASICALLY PEACEFUL PEOPLE AND WE LIVED PEACEFUL LIVES WITHOUT THE VIOLENCE, THREATS, CRAZY ACTING OUT, RUDENESS, LACK OF MANNERS, LACK OF HUMILITY, PERVERTEDNESS, LOWNESS, THAT WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH NOW!! Over 20,000 Americans have been murdered by illegals since 2000.

You are correct on this. We had enough and sold our home in CA. We had lived in a nice area. The last few years we were seeing more and more trash on the streets. More and more grafitti and the parking lots in the shopping areas had more gangs hanging around. Fights, thefts and burglery was on the fast track. Kids getting beat up for no reason when walking home from school.

...........manors? manors? we don't need no stinking manors.

Time to deport them. Many states are saying the hell with the feds and are working to establish their own immigration laws.
 
Old 06-11-2007, 12:41 PM
 
Location: san francisco bay area
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...........manors? manors? we don't need no stinking manors.
manors? what is this word? do you mean "a large country estate with land?" or are you referring to something else?
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