Wake up and smell our demise (website, salaries, crime, democratic)

[darstar]

When my Grandparents came in 1906 , they came legally. What part of that do the open border people not understand ? For 70 years She registered every year at the post office as an alien. She never took more than she gave, and she gave a lot. In her name , I stand, for the respect, the gratitude, and the opportunity afforded, the millions who came to this new land,.............legally.
That is the bottom line, If we do not take a stand now , all is for not. Stand up , and be counted, let your elected officials know how you feel, go to the streets, give your convictions, or , all that came before us will have been done a disservice.

[saganista]

Originally Posted by fastfilm

Why do you want law-breakers be rewarded? Why do want U.S. laws to be suspended for only one group of immigrants from one destination? Why do you want the United States to be transmogrified into a country more resembling the ones that the illegals have fled? Why do you want your fellow Americans "swept away?"

Law-breakers? The country was founded by law-breakers. It was at the time substantially populated by law-breakers and the spawn of law-breakers. A great number of the advances in this country's history were spear-headed by law-breakers. We have a national holiday each January dedicated to a man who was repeatedly arrested and jailed as a law-breaker. You and I are law-breakers. This is one very flimsy nail that you seem to want to hang your hat on.

Particularly given the nature of the law supposedly being broken. It has nothing to do with persons or property or the protection of anything. It's an administrative regulation. There was a time in the very recent history of this country when males over the age of 18 could be arrested on the spot for failure to have a draft card in their possession. Is that how we should judge people, then? By whether they have a government-issued piece of paper in their pocket or not? I'm sure this concept warms the cockels of Libertarian hearts everywhere.

Approximately half of the people who are in illegal status today were entirely legal when they entered this country. Jumped through all the hoops, filled out all the forms, and met all of the qualifications and requirements. Then one day their papers expired. And on that day, they were the same hard-working, tax-paying, church-going, soccer-coaching, roots-planting members of their communities that they had been the day before. They did not turn into the unshaven, oily, dark-skinned vermin who steal across our borders in the dead of night to pillage and plunder that your stereotypes would paint them as. Not so many years ago, many tens of thousands of Salvadorans risked becoming illegal overnight had a motion to recess received a few more votes in the Congress. Not so many years ago, tens of thousands of immigrants from everywhere actually did become illegal overnight because the computer systems at what was then INS were incapable of processing the required paperwork in a timely manner and the private sector contractor charged with modernizing the system delivered a system that didn't function at all.

No one is in favor of giving a free pass to actual criminals of any sort. There are thieves and robbers and abusers and murderers in the illegal immigrant community, just as there are in every other community, including the white nationalist community. Prosecute them all for their crimes as they commit them. Fairly. Justly. One at a time. Under the rule of law.

With the possible exception of the Bush administration, no one is seeking to derail the development of this country. The people whom you so love to vilify are here for reasons that arise from deep within the fabric of our economy and society. More like them will be coming for the same reasons. This is the path that we are on today, and we have been on it for decades. The social momentum of decades is not so easy to deflect. It is easier to manage, and that is what we should be attemtping to do. Bile and hatred are not productive components of sound management policies and practices.

No one wishes to see fellow Americans swept away. But that is what will happen to those who think we can dig our heels into the ground and stand firm in defense of something that already doesn't exist anymore. Pico-Union exists. If you don't like it in 2007, start looking at it in terms of 2027 instead of 1987. 1987 isn't coming back. 2027 will one day be here. Got ideas? Put them out there. Got bile and hatred? Then you're part of the problem, not part of the solution.

[citigirl]

more saganista blather.


As more and more third would immigrants come to America, legal and illegal that by the way have NO LOYALITY to America, drive down wages we will see ourselves looking more like those third world countries. The rich and the poor with the middle class dissappearing. We need to stop this now and ship these people back. Let them rise up in their own countries and demand changes!

France has woken up to how too many immigrants, that have no loyality to their new country, has destroyed them and are making them leave. France is not alone. Oher countries are getting the clue too.

[saganista]

Originally Posted by citigirl

Time to deport them. Many states are saying the hell with the feds and are working to establish their own immigration laws.

Symbolic and unenforceable is what they will be. Immigration law is set firmly within exclusive federal jurisdiction, despite the feeble attempts of such as the Federalist Society to claim otherwise. Given this and earlier plans to sue the federal government, it would perhaps be appropriate to suggest that you take the time to learn a little more about the legal structure of the country that you live in. The first lesson that an activist must learn is that if you wish to fight the system, you must know the system. It does not appear that you have completed that first lesson yet.

[citigirl]

Laws can be changed with enough pressure.

respond to this sag.
Let them rise up in their own countries and demand changes!

France has woken up to how too many immigrants, that have no loyality to their new country, has destroyed them and are making them leave. France is not alone. Oher countries are getting the clue too.

[saganista]

Originally Posted by faith10

Sorry, I thought you were from the Bay area of CA. Come to L.A. and see what life is like.

No apology needed. Anyone having spent even a modicum of time in this particular sub-forum is more than accustomed to the phenomenon of unwarranted conclusions being jumped to. As for LA, been there, done that. Not a place where I would choose to reside. But not on account of the foreign-born population...

[saganista]

Originally Posted by faith10

Your extreme left liberal agenda is not convincing anyone here and increasingly fewer in America.

If you think I'm extreme left liberal, you have a lot to learn about what extreme left liberal is. Sort of like the people who think CNN is extreme left liberal. Give me a break...

Originally Posted by faith10

The 'give me your poor' quote in 1883 was written to help Jews and Russian immigrants of that time, it was certainly not written for letting in present day foreign illegals who have MASS INVADED America by paying their way here to use our government system for their gain as well as their families in homelands, and in doing so they are 'greatly' hurting American citizens and our country.

Oh, just Jews and Russians. I didn't know that. No Irish, or Poles, or Slavs, or Italians, or Koreans, or Chinese, or Filipinos, or Nigerians. And certainly no Mexicans. Got it. I would have thought that Ms. Lazarus might have worked that limitaion into her poem had she intended it to be there, but you're probably right that it was just an oversight on her part. Or was it...

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

[saganista]

Originally Posted by montanamom

Illegals are just here to do the molesting, er, I'm sorry, jobs, American won't do.

And some wonder where the handle Bile and Hatred Sub-forum came from...

[faith10]

Sanganista, L.A. is worse every year due to illegal aliens/amnesty group high high crime rates, maybe you should revisit but be careful here.

We are still waiting for you to respond to citigirl's request as to what French Government has done, kicking out their unloyal crime bent immigrants! Please respond.

Your response post on law breakers did not address the subject, it went on into side issues of those who were deemed law breakers....and from what you wrote I agree that they all were indeed "law breakers", the rule of law must be followed or a society crumbles. That includes obeying draft cards and returning to home country when papers expire, etc.

[citigirl]

sag won't respond to real questions when he has no defense. France is one of a few countries that are waking up. I only mention because they have already implimated their program.