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Old 04-20-2010, 03:27 PM
 
Location: ...at a 3AM epiphany
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I am so happy this bill is proposed. Not just for reasons of having the ability to enforce our immigration laws, but for the illegal immigrants as well. It clearly defines their options with no longer having a sanctuary mindset. No more hanging around waiting for the ghost of amnesty, they now need to make sound decisions regarding their present as well as future lives. I hope their advocates are advising them well.
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Old 04-20-2010, 04:35 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Yes, please question their citizenship. Question mine. I wouldn't care.
To think this is a simple question of citizenship is incorrect. You give away your rights, but dont mess with mine. The consitution allows me to be secure in my person and papers. It has nothing to do with me being pro-illegal or anti-illegal; it has everything to with the State of Arizona not having the right to do this.

The state of Arizona can wrap this in the question of immigration, but the simple facts are visible. So please dont confuse this with the simple aciton of asking one of their citizenship, it is so much more.
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Old 04-20-2010, 05:18 PM
 
Location: John & Ken-ville
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Before you get your panties in a knot, keep in mind they're not going to be sweeping the streets for illegals. If you break the law, and don't have your i.d. you better have one somewhere to prove who you are. If not, you should go to jail. We have far too many illegals here with no ID, there's plenty of al quaida here already plotting against us. It's only a matter of time before the national ID card comes anyhow. If you don't live in Arizona, when you go there take your damn ID and deal with it.
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Old 04-20-2010, 05:20 PM
 
Location: John & Ken-ville
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To think this is a simple question of citizenship is incorrect. You give away your rights, but dont mess with mine. The consitution allows me to be secure in my person and papers. It has nothing to do with me being pro-illegal or anti-illegal; it has everything to with the State of Arizona not having the right to do this.

The state of Arizona can wrap this in the question of immigration, but the simple facts are visible. So please dont confuse this with the simple aciton of asking one of their citizenship, it is so much more.
Please keep in mind that the only true rights you have are according to what the law says. When you operate outside of the law, you lose your rights. Illegals know this that's why they go underground. And it's not a violation of any sort of constitutional rights for someone to ask you what your identity is, it's not written anywhere in the constitution that it's forbidden.
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Old 04-20-2010, 05:27 PM
 
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To think this is a simple question of citizenship is incorrect. You give away your rights, but dont mess with mine. The consitution allows me to be secure in my person and papers. It has nothing to do with me being pro-illegal or anti-illegal; it has everything to with the State of Arizona not having the right to do this.

The state of Arizona can wrap this in the question of immigration, but the simple facts are visible. So please dont confuse this with the simple aciton of asking one of their citizenship, it is so much more.
Really? And just what rights are being violated in the course of any investigation by LE asking pertinent questions? How is this not simply LE doing their jobs? How is it so much more?
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Old 04-20-2010, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Denver
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This has made front page of CNN.com:

Latino lawmakers urge veto of Arizona immigration law - CNN.com

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"When you institutionalize a law like this one, you are targeting and discriminating at a wholesale level against a group of people," Rep. Raul Grijalva, D-Arizona, told reporters. Grijalva and Rep. Luis Gutierrez, the chairman of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, said Republican Gov. Jan Brewer should veto the measure, which the state Senate approved Monday.
Personally, I think this law will backfire if passed.

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Old 04-20-2010, 05:46 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Please keep in mind that the only true rights you have are according to what the law says. When you operate outside of the law, you lose your rights. Illegals know this that's why they go underground. And it's not a violation of any sort of constitutional rights for someone to ask you what your identity is, it's not written anywhere in the constitution that it's forbidden.
there is no need to go any further if that is what you believe.
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Old 04-20-2010, 05:46 PM
 
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How is this law targeting and discriminating against any group of American citizens? It isn't our fault that most illegal aliens are Latinos but that doesn't mean that LE will stop and question every Latino they see in the streets or in a car just for the purpose of asking them their status in this country.
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Old 04-20-2010, 05:50 PM
 
Location: Denver
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How is this law targeting and discriminating against any group of American citizens? It isn't our fault that most illegal aliens are Latinos but that doesn't mean that LE will stop and question every Latino they see in the streets or in a car just for the purpose of asking them their status in this country.
"enable police to exact verification of any one's immigration status with nothing but a "reasonable suspicion" that a person is undocumented." -

The law would allow it and that is too much power.

How do you enforce this law then?
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Old 04-20-2010, 06:01 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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I can be pulled over for reasonable suspicion for most anything a policeman decides to pull me over for, regardless of whether or not I deem it a fair suspicion. However, if I am doing nothing wrong, chances are I will not suffer any ill consequences other than perhaps being late for my destination.

If police pull someone over on the suspicion that they are illegal--they have nothing to fear providing that they are not in violation of the law.

Enforcement has to start somewhere. Perhaps if people get tired enough of being pulled over for nothing, they'll stop enabling those who truly are illegal.
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