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Old 04-21-2010, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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It seems that 73% of Arizonans told Rasmussen that they agree with the law. Now one must understand that at least half the residents of Arizona are of Mexican descent but they must be joining in on this aspect of control of the border. The election, this fall, seems to be hinging on this question and the governor seems to know that she signs the thing or she will lose her job.

Read the article that goes along with the 73% number to find out some interesting things about that situation.

70% of Arizona Voters Favor New State Measure Cracking Down On Illegal Immigration - Rasmussen Reportsâ„¢
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Old 04-21-2010, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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It seems that 73% of Arizonans told Rasmussen that they agree with the law. Now one must understand that at least half the residents of Arizona are of Mexican descent but they must be joining in on this aspect of control of the border. The election, this fall, seems to be hinging on this question and the governor seems to know that she signs the thing or she will lose her job.

Read the article that goes along with the 73% number to find out some interesting things about that situation.

70% of Arizona Voters Favor New State Measure Cracking Down On Illegal Immigration - Rasmussen Reportsâ„¢
That pretty much demonstrates how "fair and balanced" Rasmussen polls are.
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Old 04-21-2010, 11:04 AM
 
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"What no one seemed to notice. . . was the ever widening gap. . .between the government and the people. . . And it became always wider. . . the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting, it provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway . . . (it) gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about . . .and kept us so busy with continuous changes and 'crises' and so fascinated . . . by the machinations of the 'national enemies,' without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. . .
Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, 'regretted,' that unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these 'little measures'. . . must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. . . .Each act. . . is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join you in resisting somehow.
You don't want to act, or even talk, alone. . . you don't want to 'go out of your way to make trouble.' . . .But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That's the difficulty. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves, when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. . . .You have accepted things you would not have accepted five years ago, a year ago, things your father. . . could never have imagined." :
From Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free, The Germans, 1938-45 (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1955)
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Old 04-21-2010, 11:10 AM
 
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"What no one seemed to notice. . . was the ever widening gap. . .between the government and the people. . . And it became always wider. . . the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting, it provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway . . . (it) gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about . . .and kept us so busy with continuous changes and 'crises' and so fascinated . . . by the machinations of the 'national enemies,' without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. . .
Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, 'regretted,' that unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these 'little measures'. . . must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. . . .Each act. . . is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join you in resisting somehow.
You don't want to act, or even talk, alone. . . you don't want to 'go out of your way to make trouble.' . . .But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That's the difficulty. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves, when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. . . .You have accepted things you would not have accepted five years ago, a year ago, things your father. . . could never have imagined." :
From Milton Mayer, They Thought They Were Free, The Germans, 1938-45 (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1955)
Not relevant.
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Old 04-21-2010, 11:15 AM
 
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If the left has a problem with enforcing immigration requirements and restrictions, then it should just come out and say it supports an open border. That would put it in agreement with Cato and other strict libertarians, though.
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Old 04-21-2010, 11:31 AM
 
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If the left has a problem with enforcing immigration requirements and restrictions, then it should just come out and say it supports an open border. That would put it in agreement with Cato and other strict libertarians, though.
The left does not support an open border policy. The left believes there are effective methods to protect our borders, without resorting to racial profiling and infringing on the civil liberties of Americans, not just those Americans that look aesthetically pleasing to the right.
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Old 04-21-2010, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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The left does not support an open border policy. The left believes there are effective methods to protect our borders, without resorting to racial profiling and infringing on the civil liberties of Americans, not just those Americans that look aesthetically pleasing to the right.
Complete and total BS. The left has been in full support of an open border policy and complete amnesty for all illegal aliens. Republicans haven't been much better. Conservatives want immigration laws enforced while politicians in Washington DC are afraid to do this because they could potentially loose votes from people who aren't legally eligible to vote.
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Old 04-21-2010, 11:37 AM
 
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Exclamation Holy hypocrisy

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The left does not support an open border policy. The left believes there are effective methods to protect our borders, without resorting to racial profiling and infringing on the civil liberties of Americans, not just those Americans that look aesthetically pleasing to the right.
But yet you profile in your post.
Where can we view these tenants you are going on about?
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Old 04-21-2010, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Western NC
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The left does not support an open border policy. The left believes there are effective methods to protect our borders, without resorting to racial profiling and infringing on the civil liberties of Americans, not just those Americans that look aesthetically pleasing to the right.
Where all the effective methods the left believes there are. The left is just the same as most of the people who call themselves the "right". They don't want to upset the large hispanic voting block by actually doing something to stop the illegal hispanic invasion.
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Old 04-21-2010, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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It seems that 73% of Arizonans told Rasmussen that they agree with the law. Now one must understand that at least half the residents of Arizona are of Mexican descent but they must be joining in on this aspect of control of the border. The election, this fall, seems to be hinging on this question and the governor seems to know that she signs the thing or she will lose her job.

Read the article that goes along with the 73% number to find out some interesting things about that situation.

70% of Arizona Voters Favor New State Measure Cracking Down On Illegal Immigration - Rasmussen Reportsâ„¢

What about cracking down on the employers of illegals?..That's where the REAL problem lies..
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