Arizona's newest illegal alien law (Republican, Reed, American, work)

[Fleet]

Originally Posted by Who?Me?!

And only COWARDS declare war on the victims and COWARDS ignore the real criminals...the CEOs of the companies that HIRE the illegals...COWARDS Yellow-bellied COWARDS who are too scared to go after the REAL CRIMINALS because they are The Wealthy, the Gods of the Republicans....

If they choose to cross the border illegally, they are criminals. Regardless whether they are hired or not. They cross the border (illegally) on their own free will.

Not all of the wealthy are Republicans. Absolutely ridiculous to even make such a statement.

[roysoldboy]

Originally Posted by kovert

This maybe surprising to you but not to me roy. The U.S. latin american population is far from monolithic despite the MSM attempts to portray it as such.

But I think some qualifications and context are in order.

I've talked about the illegal issue with many latino friends.

Most of them were against what was going on at our borders.

They were the ones who told me about drug trafficking, smuggling, people and property getting violated years before the MSM finally picked it up.

They came to the U.S. to get away from the problems of their homelands and to work and contribute to American society.

This does not mean they would condone ethnic profiling and discrimination.

Wanting to have sensible border security measures along with immigration reform and being against law enforcement profiling are not mutually exclusive.

It almost sounds like the bill legalizes profiling, as if it wasn't going on already. Now law abiding "brown" American citizens and permanent residents may have no legal recourse for protecting their civil rights.

Frankly, this seems reminiscent of locking petty street dealers for public show, while the kingpins conduct business as usual with politicians and local authorities.

Build a border WALL, yes not a fence a WALL; legalize and tax marijuana; go after employers that love to exploit illegals; and adopt sensible immigration strategy like the Canada has; and a lot of these problems would dissipate.

I think that too many of you people who want that immigration reform want to see amnesty. What good would reform do as long as enforcement was no better than it is now. I say put some people with guns on the border and nail a few illegals trying to sneak in.

Surely you are smart enough to see that all our Congress critters who want "immigration reform" want only the amnesty they would throw in any reform bill.

Enforcement is needed and it has just not been done the past 24 years since the 1986 amnesty bill was passed.

The people of Arizona, half or more who are Mexican descendants, want to see the law enforced and that is why they are willing to have the bill that the governor probably is chickening out from signing right now. Stop pitching Democrat/RINO garbage around trying to help the illegals.

[roysoldboy]

Originally Posted by Boompa

Because the loons who draqfted this law put in penalties for any Law Enforcement Officer who fails to enforce it, most will begin challenging the citizenship of EVERYONE they stop. The City of Phoenix has already stated that this is what they intend to do. So if you are stopped for speeding you had better have proofr of citizenship with you. A drivers license is not proof of citizenship, nor is a military ID nor is a Hawaiian Birth certificate.

Have you ever been stopped for a traffic violation? If so were you asked to show your driver's license and your registration along with your proof of insurance? What right did those policemen have to require you to show all those things?

Most illegals don't have any insurance because they didn't have a DL to buy it with. I guess they have car tags so they must be able to register them, but there is plenty of proof that you aren't a legal resident from the lack of the other things.

Now I don't know about Texas, but in Kansas, you better have proof of insurance if stopped. I suppose you really think it is profiling, or something like that to ask for proof of insurance.

The people of Arizona are tired of the refusal to enforce the laws we have so why would we believe that any new laws would be enforced by the feds. I say stick that immigration reform up where most Dems have their heads and enjoy yourself.

[Who?Me?!]

Originally Posted by Fleet

If they choose to cross the border illegally, they are criminals. Regardless whether they are hired or not. They cross the border (illegally) on their own free will.

Not all of the wealthy are Republicans. Absolutely ridiculous to even make such a statement.

Absolutely ridiculous for you to make such a statement... I NEVER stated that all Republicans were wealthy...no wonder your "argument" is weak if you can't comprehend English.



Illegals would have no reason to cross the border if there were NO JOBS!
DUH!


And ONLY cowards att5ack the weakest link and tremble in fear of distrubing the CRIMINALS who HIRE ILLEGALS.....

I really don't expect you to understand that.

[basketballakev]

Originally Posted by Who?Me?!

Absolutely ridiculous for you to make such a statement... I NEVER stated that all Republicans were wealthy...no wonder your "argument" is weak if you can't comprehend English.



Illegals would have no reason to cross the border if there were NO JOBS!
DUH!


And ONLY cowards att5ack the weakest link and tremble in fear of distrubing the CRIMINALS who HIRE ILLEGALS.....

I really don't expect you to understand that.

Absurd. Anchor babies can receive a free education. Practically free healthcare paid for by the American taxpayers. There are numerous "pull" factors for them to come here aside from jobs.

[Boompa]

Originally Posted by roysoldboy

Have you ever been stopped for a traffic violation? If so were you asked to show your driver's license and your registration along with your proof of insurance? What right did those policemen have to require you to show all those things?

Most illegals don't have any insurance because they didn't have a DL to buy it with. I guess they have car tags so they must be able to register them, but there is plenty of proof that you aren't a legal resident from the lack of the other things.

Now I don't know about Texas, but in Kansas, you better have proof of insurance if stopped. I suppose you really think it is profiling, or something like that to ask for proof of insurance.

The people of Arizona are tired of the refusal to enforce the laws we have so why would we believe that any new laws would be enforced by the feds. I say stick that immigration reform up where most Dems have their heads and enjoy yourself.

Your Drivers License is not proof of citizenship.... The Police Officer can be charged if he fails to enforce the law.....see where this is going

[Fleet]

Originally Posted by Who?Me?!

Absolutely ridiculous for you to make such a statement... I NEVER stated that all Republicans were wealthy...no wonder your "argument" is weak if you can't comprehend English.

The way you said it sure sounds like it. To quote: "Because they are the wealthy, the Gods of the Republicans." Besides it's ridiculous to make the claim in the first place ("the wealthy are the God of the Republicans").

Illegals would have no reason to cross the border if there were NO JOBS!
DUH!

Some illegals cross the border to join other family members who have moved there. DUH! The best way to stop them is to prevent them from crossing the border in the first place. Put the military and/or National Guard on the border.

And ONLY cowards att5ack the weakest link and tremble in fear of distrubing the CRIMINALS who HIRE ILLEGALS.....

I don't care how illegal immigration is stopped... as long as it's stopped. They have been getting away with it for decades.

I really don't expect you to understand that.

Apparently, there is a whole lot you don't understand!

[Who?Me?!]

Originally Posted by Fleet

The way you said it sure sounds like it. To quote: "Because they are the wealthy, the Gods of the Republicans." Besides it's ridiculous to make the claim in the first place ("the wealthy are the God of the Republicans").



Some illegals cross the border to join other family members who have moved there. DUH! The best way to stop them is to prevent them from crossing the border in the first place. Put the military and/or National Guard on the border.




I don't care how illegal immigration is stopped... as long as it's stopped. They have been getting away with it for decades.



Apparently, there is a whole lot you don't understand!

NO, this is what I wrote :

""""COWARDS ignore the real criminals...the CEOs of the companies that HIRE the illegals...COWARDS Yellow-bellied COWARDS who are too scared to go after the REAL CRIMINALS because they are The Wealthy, the Gods of the Republicans...."""

The REAL criminals are the CEOs (The Wealthy) who hire the illegals.


Repugs want to only go after the Mexicans who cross the border because Repugs Worship the Wealthy.

I NEVER stated ALL Republicans were wealthy...they just Worship the Wealthy and are too frightened of their gods to go after them....it's always the easiest (LAZIEST) and most cowardly to go after those one presumes to be beneath them...hence Repugs go after the illegals....

[kovert]

Originally Posted by roysoldboy

I think that too many of you people who want that immigration reform want to see amnesty. What good would reform do as long as enforcement was no better than it is now. I say put some people with guns on the border and nail a few illegals trying to sneak in.

Surely you are smart enough to see that all our Congress critters who want "immigration reform" want only the amnesty they would throw in any reform bill.

Enforcement is needed and it has just not been done the past 24 years since the 1986 amnesty bill was passed.

The people of Arizona, half or more who are Mexican descendants, want to see the law enforced and that is why they are willing to have the bill that the governor probably is chickening out from signing right now. Stop pitching Democrat/RINO garbage around trying to help the illegals.

Apparently Beck never gave you this history lesson, else you would know that it was YOUR beloved REAGAN that gave illegal aliens amnesty, lo those many years ago.

Oh and have you forgotten under whose watch we heard all the calls for vigilance and to fight the evil doers of the world.

The cats that controlled both the executive, legislative and judicial branches for about almost a decade.

If the war on terror, the war on drugs were really about protecting American citizenry, why was that gaping security hole on our southern borders never patched?

This new law is a joke just like the War on Terror & Drugs is a joke.

Do you want to endanger the lives of servicemen on yet another bogus war?

Do you not realize many of the drug runners are former military men and mercs?

They also know the terrain very well having de facto control over the border territory for decades now.

Most importantly, they're also packing heavy artillery.

Rather than throwing our boys out there to be swiss cheese, why not prevent the problem in the 1st place?

Is it inconceivable to you that we can't build a STEEL WALL?

Are you implying with so many construction guys out of work and with all the 21st century tech at our disposal, we can not accomplish what the ancient Chinese did centuries ago?

Shouldn't we learn from recent history like the prohibition era, and realize that human nature being what it is, it would be more beneficial to tax and regulate rather than criminalize?

Is it not effective to go after employers who hire illegals in the 1st place and barring humanitarian services like medical aid, make it mandatory to have the proper documentation in order to receive social services?

I wonder, would you and your heroine Palin, be so quick to call in the troops, if your loved ones lives were on the front lines?

So called freedom lovers seem to love to throw away all their civil rights and liberties as long as their beloved radio disc jockeys say its all good.

An effective solution to stem the flow would be a border wall but yet why have not the officials of the border states aggressively demand one?

Have the border governors and state attorney generals gotten together to force the feds to address this issue?

And if not, why, when its seems so effective a solution?

And if they don't whose interests would that benefit?

How many civil liberties do you want American citizens to give up based on bogus wars?

But of course the kingpin/street peddler analogy I wrote of earlier could never happen in the home states of the impeccable Dubya Bush and Maverick McCain.

[BentBow]

Originally Posted by florida.bob

The left does not support an open border policy. The left believes there are effective methods to protect our borders, without resorting to racial profiling and infringing on the civil liberties of Americans, not just those Americans that look aesthetically pleasing to the right.

Profiling happens everyday and to everyone that comes in contact with a new person they cross paths with and their eyes see.

It is called being human.

When you, I, or any human meets someone for the first time, each is trying to figure out the other from the first glance.

Saying it isn't so, and your living in a dream world.

This is war people, it is not playtime.
The Forefathers and my government, grants me my American rights to bare arms against any invasion of another nation.


You need to be pissed at the illegals that got you caught up in this mess in the first place. If they were not here, would this even be an issue. Hispanics need to make a choice. Your American, or your not. END OF DISCUSSION!