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Old 05-16-2010, 07:15 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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Originally Posted by Kele View Post
Being asked for one's driver's license during a traffic stop cannot be compared to having one's house searched without a warrant. The comparison of the two is ridiculous.

If the liquor store down the street was robbed by a tall, blue-eyed strawberry blonde woman, I would expect that I would be stopped, questioned/and or <GASP> even brought downtown for questioning. If I am innocent, then I should have nothing to fear.

Read the d*mn bill and stop listening to the sound bites. Your ignorance is hanging out.
There...fixed it.

I changed my mind about what I wanted to say and didn't delete the previous sentence entirely.

I sooooo hate typos!
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Old 05-17-2010, 05:52 AM
 
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"Does the Arizona immigration bill allow searches of law abiding citizens?"

Yes , the pre revised version did.

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Arizona’s controversial immigration law was revised over the weekend. The changes, specifying that police may only question the immigration status of those they suspect of being in the country illegally if they have already stopped them for a different reason, represent a state backtrack that critics are latching onto.
SB 1070 was revised with the above revision after the fallout that followed the original SB 1070.
Arizona immigration law revised: backtracking or fine-tuning? - CSMonitor.com
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Old 05-17-2010, 05:55 AM
 
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In all likelyhood, if the police ever raided a house without a warrant, all evidence/ info would be tossed out of court.....and can be proven. ( in the case of an immediate threat to a person or persons the rules change) I suppose that someone here knows the law, and will correct me if I am wrong.

According to all police info, McVeigh and Nicholls were in fact "white" so it would make since to me to profile " whites"...
Does McVeigh and Nichols being White allow law enforcement to stop any and all White males ? I really don't see the American public allowing the authorities to stop any White male for just being White males.
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Old 05-17-2010, 10:07 AM
 
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Does McVeigh and Nichols being White allow law enforcement to stop any and all White males ? I really don't see the American public allowing the authorities to stop any White male for just being White males.
No, neither whites nor any other race can be stopped just because of their race. The same is spelled out in this new law which apparently you and others are ignoring anyway. In any investigation regardless of your race unless there is suspicion of you being directly connected to a particular crime through leads it would be ridiculous to question every person in America just because their race is the same as the the criminal they are looking for but then you knew that.
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Old 05-17-2010, 10:27 AM
 
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No, neither whites nor any other race can be stopped just because of their race. The same is spelled out in this new law which apparently you and others are ignoring anyway. In any investigation regardless of your race unless there is suspicion of you being directly connected to a particular crime through leads it would be ridiculous to question every person in America just because their race is the same as the the criminal they are looking for but then you knew that.

Well SB 1070 prior to the revision did give law enforcement the power to question anyone they thought was an illegal. Which really means any working class Brown person, because they obviously weren't going to stop White folks.
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Old 05-17-2010, 12:08 PM
 
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Well SB 1070 prior to the revision did give law enforcement the power to question anyone they thought was an illegal. Which really means any working class Brown person, because they obviously weren't going to stop White folks.
No, it did not! Only the wording was changed for clarity. Racial profiling or just stopping someone for the sole purpose that LE thought might be in this country illegally was not in the original bill. That was never the intention of it.

Do you actually think there are no "white folks" in this country illegally?
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Old 05-17-2010, 12:23 PM
 
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No, it did not! Only the wording was changed for clarity. Racial profiling or just stopping someone for the sole purpose that LE thought might be in this country illegally was not in the original bill. That was never the intention of it.

Do you actually think there are no "white folks" in this country illegally?
You make it sound like the bill underwent a minor modification but the essence of the original stayed the same.

The original did not state unequivocally that a person must first be stopped for some other offense before their legal resident status can be checked. This revision unequivocally states a person can only be asked to prove their legal resident status after they are stopped for some other offense. That is pretty big difference in enforcement.

Before SB 1070, Arizona's Sheriff Arapaio and some other states were already checking the legal status of persons they had pulled over for a primary offense.

Ofcourse there are White illegals but since the vast majority of White folks are legal residents and the vast majority of illegals are Brown, realistically law enforcement is not going to stop and check White folks.

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Old 05-17-2010, 12:27 PM
 
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Originally Posted by chicagonut View Post
No, neither whites nor any other race can be stopped just because of their race. The same is spelled out in this new law which apparently you and others are ignoring anyway. In any investigation regardless of your race unless there is suspicion of you being directly connected to a particular crime through leads it would be ridiculous to question every person in America just because their race is the same as the the criminal they are looking for but then you knew that.
It's one thing to arrest someone for not having a drivers license. If that is indeed the law , so be it. It's another thing to arrest someone on suspicion of being an illegal immigrant. This law allows LE to arrest people (Americans included) on suspicion of being an illegal immigrant. Bascially you are guilty until proven innocent.
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Old 05-17-2010, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Phoenix,Arizona
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It's one thing to arrest someone for not having a drivers license. If that is indeed the law , so be it. It's another thing to arrest someone on suspicion of being an illegal immigrant. This law allows LE to arrest people (Americans included) on suspicion of being an illegal immigrant. Bascially you are guilty until proven innocent.

You might want to reading through this and consider editing
your post

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf
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Old 05-17-2010, 01:30 PM
 
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It's one thing to arrest someone for not having a drivers license. If that is indeed the law , so be it. It's another thing to arrest someone on suspicion of being an illegal immigrant. This law allows LE to arrest people (Americans included) on suspicion of being an illegal immigrant. Bascially you are guilty until proven innocent.
How do you know if someone can't produce I.D. that they will be immediately arrested for suspicion of being illegally in this country? You assume a lot. From what I understand LE can check a database with you name, address, SS#, etc. There are many things that would have to transpire before an arrest would transpire. ICE would get involved if there was any real legitimate suspicion.
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