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That is state dependent. In Texas you cannot get a DL if you are illegal.
You have to prove your resident status with birth cert., green card, visa, etc. Not every state just hands out DL's to anyone who walks through the door.
Which you can if, at some point, you had legal status.... Meaning, that you can be illegal and still have a DL from the time when you were here legally...
All I am trying to convey is that a DL can not prove citizenship - there are way too many ways to obtain a DL even if you are not here legally.
Which you can if, at some point, you had legal status.... Meaning, that you can be illegal and still have a DL from the time when you were here legally...
All I am trying to convey is that a DL can not prove citizenship - there are way too many ways to obtain a DL even if you are not here legally.
Texas updated their laws to account for that in 2008.
We also have a problem with illegals here in Texas. Maybe ALL states should issue DL's like Texas does.
"Upon verification of lawful status in the U.S. the individual will receive a license with a Temporary Visitor designation and status date on the face of the card. The new rule also requires the cardholder to provide proof that their lawful status has been updated or extended before DPS will issue a duplicate or renewal. DPS will cancel the license or ID card if the cardholder is unable to present valid documentation that shows federal approval to remain in the United States beyond the status date.
What about them? If they are presently living in this country they should still have a DL or state I.D. on them. Language has nothing to do with it. Many green card holders don't necessarily speak good English but it is the green card that matters here, not their langauge skills.
Yes, the law is very clear on that. As I asked before, how does a US citizen prove that he or she is a US citizen?
I did not bring up the argument that speaking English will get you out of a situation where your legal status is questionable.
Texas updated their laws to account for that in 2008.
We also have a problem with illegals here in Texas. Maybe ALL states should issue DL's like Texas does.
"Upon verification of lawful status in the U.S. the individual will receive a license with a Temporary Visitor designation and status date on the face of the card. The new rule also requires the cardholder to provide proof that their lawful status has been updated or extended before DPS will issue a duplicate or renewal. DPS will cancel the license or ID card if the cardholder is unable to present valid documentation that shows federal approval to remain in the United States beyond the status date.
Ah, that is excellent - yes, if all states were to adopt this law, a DL could certainly be used! Glad to see that Texas is doing it right!
Even if that meant that the life you have lived for ten years would be taken away? Even if that meant that your wife would be deported? Or your two children, who have never lived anywhere else? Or the place where you are from is Ciudad Juarez where your chances of being killed are quite high? Or you would have to go to a place where there are no jobs, leaving your family to live on the streets? Really? For a mugging? Or if you witnessed a break-in?
You would risk all that to do the "right thing?"
Individual situations are quite varied and reasons to be in the US illegally are manifold...
And so are the situations for illegal immigrants coming from South and Central America into Mexico.
Do you think for one minute that Mexico's immigration laws take individual situations into account? Hardly...illegal in Mexico? Jail and then OUT!
I have no sympathy for the individual situations. Illegal aliens know that they are in this country illegally. They know it's a crap shoot as to whether they are caught and deported or whether they are able to fly under the radar.
There are people in the world who are a hell of a lot worse off than our neighbors to the south and I don't see any of the illegal immigration apologists coming forward to see that they are allowed into this country. The only concern seems to be for those of Mexican descent.
And so are the situations for illegal immigrants coming from South and Central America into Mexico.
Do you think for one minute that Mexico's immigration laws take individual situations into account? Hardly...illegal in Mexico? Jail and then OUT!
I have no sympathy for the individual situations. Illegal aliens know that they are in this country illegally. They know it's a crap shoot as to whether they are caught and deported or whether they are able to fly under the radar.
There are people in the world who are a hell of a lot worse off than our neighbors to the south and I don't see any of the illegal immigration apologists coming forward to see that they are allowed into this country. The only concern seems to be for those of Mexican descent.
Now THAT is racist.
You misunderstood me. I didn't say that the situation in Mexico could be used as a justification for coming to the US illegally. We were taking about "doing the right thing" if you were to witness an accident or another crime. Would you, as an illegal immigrant, do the right thing if it meant that you and your family were to be sent back to the hell that you came from... GIL3 would - so I wondered if his statement would still apply if the price he and his family would have to pay for being "discovered" and deported was really high. See, he might "do the right thing" as an illegal if the consequences simply affected him - but what if the consequences reach much further?
You misunderstood me. I didn't say that the situation in Mexico could be used as a justification for coming to the US illegally. We were taking about "doing the right thing" if you were to witness an accident or another crime. Would you, as an illegal immigrant, do the right thing if it meant that you and your family were to be sent back to the hell that you came from...
I would imagine that if I were deported, then I would have to step up for my family and do the right thing--the entire country of Mexico is not some huge hell hole. There are great parts of Mexico and there are jobs to be had.
Otherwise, I would hope that I would have the moral fortitude NOT to come to the U.S. illegally and instead, go through the legal channels which would be available to me (And don't try to tell me that it's too difficult to emigrate legally from Mexico. I just finished an immigration law class--you would be surprised at the number of VISA options available to our neighbors to the south).
And so are the situations for illegal immigrants coming from South and Central America into Mexico.
Do you think for one minute that Mexico's immigration laws take individual situations into account? Hardly...illegal in Mexico? Jail and then OUT!
I have no sympathy for the individual situations. Illegal aliens know that they are in this country illegally. They know it's a crap shoot as to whether they are caught and deported or whether they are able to fly under the radar.
There are people in the world who are a hell of a lot worse off than our neighbors to the south and I don't see any of the illegal immigration apologists coming forward to see that they are allowed into this country. The only concern seems to be for those of Mexican descent.
Now THAT is racist.
As I've said, I don't like any immigrants--even ones from other states in our own country. The thing is, I can't tell, just by looking, if someone is an immigrant or not.
I was in Israel in '89, and walked by a great number of people. I couldn't tell the Jews from the Arabs. They all looked the same to me.
I would imagine that if I were deported, then I would have to step up for my family and do the right thing--the entire country of Mexico is not some huge hell hole. There are great parts of Mexico and there are jobs to be had.
Otherwise, I would hope that I would have the moral fortitude NOT to come to the U.S. illegally and instead, go through the legal channels which would be available to me (And don't try to tell me that it's too difficult to emigrate legally from Mexico. I just finished an immigration law class--you would be surprised at the number of VISA options available to our neighbors to the south).
Yeah, I would hope that, too. Unfortunately, millions of illegal immigrants appear to forgo such principles, which means that they area already here.
I think most agree that this is not acceptable - and now we are trying to figure out how to handle this situation.
I can only hope that Arizona's actions will finally wake up the Federal Government and force them to address this situation rather than just push it aside.
As I've said, I don't like any immigrants--even ones from other states in our own country. The thing is, I can't tell, just by looking, if someone is an immigrant or not.
I was in Israel in '89, and walked by a great number of people. I couldn't tell the Jews from the Arabs. They all looked the same to me.
No one can - one of the great things about the US is that its citizens come in all shapes and colors...
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