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Old 04-26-2010, 11:43 PM
 
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Lawmaker wants to bring Arizona immigration law to Utah - Salt Lake Tribune

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As protests in Arizona over an anti-immigration law heat up, one conservative Utah lawmaker wants to bring the law to this state, and says he has the support to do it.
It's a shame that Arizona is getting so much flack for wanting to enforce immigration laws. With other states considering drafting similar legislation, what happens if, 2 years from now, 25 states have passed laws similar to Arizona (Assuming the law is not overturned in court)? Will the federal government still pursue amnesty, ignoring the wishes of these states?
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Old 04-26-2010, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Lawmaker wants to bring Arizona immigration law to Utah - Salt Lake Tribune



It's a shame that Arizona is getting so much flack for wanting to enforce immigration laws. With other states considering drafting similar legislation, what happens if, 2 years from now, 25 states have passed laws similar to Arizona (Assuming the law is not overturned in court)? Will the federal government still pursue amnesty, ignoring the wishes of these states?
The Feds will buckle, trust me.
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Old 04-27-2010, 06:41 AM
 
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And soon. The feds don't want to spend money and the states don't have it but will still enforce law, sooner than we think. Amnesty will never happen. First a push for "show" with defeat in hopes those pandered say "at least you tried". . It is a matter of money and votes. The Feds will have no recourse but to enforce our laws to save face.
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Old 04-27-2010, 11:31 AM
 
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The Feds will buckle, trust me.
The Feds will not buckle. They hold a lot more power than the state of Arizona could ever try to muster up. The Feds have the power to withhold funding that this state is heavily dependent on. One threat of that happening, and this "law" will disappear.
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Old 04-27-2010, 11:33 AM
 
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The Feds will not buckle. They hold a lot more power than the state of Arizona could ever try to muster up. The Feds have the power to withhold funding that this state is heavily dependent on. One threat of that happening, and this "law" will disappear.
Federal is just that and if majority rules they take action or deal with independent enforcement, Fla will have to concede as well. They are not excluded from Federal rule.
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Old 04-27-2010, 11:36 AM
 
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The Feds will not buckle. They hold a lot more power than the state of Arizona could ever try to muster up. The Feds have the power to withhold funding that this state is heavily dependent on. One threat of that happening, and this "law" will disappear.
So, are you saying that the Federal government should have the right to arbitrarily withhold funding in order to interfere with State's rights?

Hmmmm....so in other words, Constitutional rights disappear in the face of what YOU think is right.
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Old 04-27-2010, 11:38 AM
 
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The Feds will not buckle. They hold a lot more power than the state of Arizona could ever try to muster up. The Feds have the power to withhold funding that this state is heavily dependent on. One threat of that happening, and this "law" will disappear.
Three words of wisdom here: Watch the Economy. If unemployment benefits were to be cut off after, say the third extension--------then those illegals on the street corners will be fighting with incensed Americans for day work. Needless to say: the 'powers-to-be' will side with said Americans or there will be trouble.
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Old 04-27-2010, 12:59 PM
 
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The Feds will not buckle. They hold a lot more power than the state of Arizona could ever try to muster up. The Feds have the power to withhold funding that this state is heavily dependent on. One threat of that happening, and this "law" will disappear.
Feds have no need to buckle to quell this fire, all the Feds have to do is issue a few Public Relations Releases stating an intent to do something about the issue of undocumented immigration and the masses will eat that up in every blog, news paper, and public web forum. Look at what the Arizona law has done to public discourse and the dissemination thereof. It has all the mainstream media outlets craving more and more like a baby demands their bottle.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform is now in the National perspective.

Arizona is already in a fiscal dilemma. Any cuts in federal spending will collapse their bank. Arizona has been selling off properties and assets just to make ends meet. If SB 1070 takes effect, Arizona will succumb to the lawsuits in no time. Theirs just too many civil rights groups lining up to challenge this new law. Not to mention all the nationwide boycotting of Arizona. Arizona is hemorrhaging bad!

Just remember that Arizona only passed this law to appease their neo-con constituents during an election year and as a rally cry to the Feds for their inaction in immigration enforcement or lack thereof. It's to no surprise that this law is plagued with holes and controversy. It was designed to attract maximum National attention.

What Arizona has done by passing this controvercial law is they offically placed Comprehensive Immigration Reform in the National spotlight possibly paving the way for paths to citizenship for millions of todays undocumented immigrants.

For those who oppose Amnesty you might be thanking Arizona for shooting you in the foot when the infamous 'Paths to Citizenship' takes place.

Comprehensive Immigration Reform is and always was a bipartisan issue so it really doesn't matter if come November the majority rule in Congress shifts. You have plenty of Republicans & Democrats who once elected will go against the grain of the people.

You don't believe me?

Look at the historical record of newly elected officials passing legislation within the first year they were voted in. Does Cap & Trade, Healthcare Reform, and the 1st year of the Obama administration ring a bell? So America doesn't think Amnesty will occur? They've been lucky the last two attempts, lets see how it works out this time!

And hopefully the moderators don't consider this comment TROLLING.
Moderator cut: that's up to you Yac.

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Old 04-27-2010, 01:08 PM
 
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So, are you saying that the Federal government should have the right to arbitrarily withhold funding in order to interfere with State's rights?

Hmmmm....so in other words, Constitutional rights disappear in the face of what YOU think is right.

The Feds have always threatened to withhold Federal funding to persuade a State into changing their policy in a crafty indirect way.

A perfect example was the Feds threatening Nebraska if their DUI law was not changed. The Feds threatened to withhold $7.15 million in federal funds a year if senators donít change the law.

Bill Would Nix DUI Offendersí Ability to Drive to Probation Appointments

Lincoln, NE. March 13 ó This year, about 2,000 Nebraskans convicted of drunk driving will use ignition interlock devices so they can drive to work, school, alcohol treatment and probation appointments.

But after July 15, they will have to get rides, walk or bike to meet with their probation officers.

The federal government says allowing people with these special permits to drive to probation appointments strays beyond federal regulation. And Nebraska could lose as much as $7.15 million in federal funds a year if senators donít change the law.

more @ DUI BLOG: Feds Threaten Nebraska if DUI Law Not Changed
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Old 04-27-2010, 01:22 PM
 
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Lawmaker wants to bring Arizona immigration law to Utah - Salt Lake Tribune



It's a shame that Arizona is getting so much flack for wanting to enforce immigration laws. With other states considering drafting similar legislation, what happens if, 2 years from now, 25 states have passed laws similar to Arizona (Assuming the law is not overturned in court)? Will the federal government still pursue amnesty, ignoring the wishes of these states?
Hopefully in 2 years as Obama is on his way out the Next President wil remember who elects him..Americans...And puts their interests first.
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